[MAIPC] MAIPC Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10

Tue May 10 13:33:57 PDT 2016

Unfortunately, it is not just his voice one is listening too. I posted about the invasive Celandine plant in a Plant identification and Discussion page. It was there that I learned that the British posters are very fond of their plant, and they strongly disagreed with me. I do not think they were much concerned with what we think about our native North American plants.  They are also the 'gardener's it seems that most use the imported plants. The U.K.has many of the nurseries that our growers buy from - it is big business there as I learned at the Paramount Plant Conference in Charlottesville, Virginia from the main speaker who told his story - a delightful one. And naturally,  it is not our native plants that the U.K., European nurseries are promoting, unless there is enough money in it or there are requests. Partly, what can be done is to encourage more nurseries here to ask for more native plants so that European and British growers are not flooding our markets with more of their invasive plants. We have a park here in VB that is completely covered with Celandine. It is also a plant that causes Dermatitis so one can also note that. This link should create more impetus to get rid of the plant: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10902593
 Kathryn Peterson-Lambert

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   1. Re: Another attack on invasive plant control (Kathi Mestayer)
   2. Re: Another attack on invasive plant control (Kathi Mestayer)
   3. Re: Another attack on invasive plant control (Cheryl Joy Lipton)

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Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 14:32:21 -0400
From: Kathi Mestayer <kschachinger at gmail.com>
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got a link to a site where we could post a comment?  
I also just re-tweeted
k

> On May 10, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Stephen Hiltner <stevehiltner at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Though the NY Times has been doing more than its share, another surprising source of distortions on the invasive species issue is NPR's You Bet Your Garden program, whose post  <http://www.gardensalive.com/product/lesser-celandinefor-some-a-bitter-buttercup/you_bet_your_garden>on lesser celandine shows up on the first page of a google search. The host, Mike McGrath, who comes from an organic gardening background, attempts to impose the organic ethic on habitat restoration, a subject he seems to know nothing about. He is widely listened to, and his website widely read, making him a significant contributor to the false narrative. Might we want to start a letter writing campaign, perhaps directly to NPR, to have him remove the misinformation from his website?
> 
> As with the NY Times pieces, I've written a detailed critique:
> 
> http://newscompanion.blogspot.com/2016/05/you-bet-your-garden-radio-show.html <http://newscompanion.blogspot.com/2016/05/you-bet-your-garden-radio-show.html>
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Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 14:33:23 -0400
From: Kathi Mestayer <kschachinger at gmail.com>
To: "Muth, Norris (MUTH)" <MUTH at juniata.edu>
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why not offer him a technical resource/reviewer for when he wants to check his facts?

> On May 10, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Muth, Norris (MUTH) <MUTH at juniata.edu> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if any individuals or groups have tried to reach out to him? He has such a loud voice and broad following we might do better, if there were any hope, of softening or adding nuance to his voice (maybe even making him a convert)?
> 
> I?d be happy to be involved in reaching out, though it might be most likely to succeed if anyone with more knowledge about the show than I could identify an existing contact with him that we could lean on to participate.
> 
> Norris
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> office: 1054 VonLiebig Center for Science
> Office Hours Spring 2016
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> From: Stephen Hiltner <stevehiltner at gmail.com<mailto:stevehiltner at gmail.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 11:49 AM
> To: "INVASIVES at LISTSERV.UMD.EDU<mailto:INVASIVES at LISTSERV.UMD.EDU>" <INVASIVES at listserv.umd.edu<mailto:INVASIVES at listserv.umd.edu>>, "maipc at lists.maipc.org<mailto:maipc at lists.maipc.org>" <maipc at lists.maipc.org<mailto:maipc at lists.maipc.org>>
> Subject: [MAIPC] Another attack on invasive plant control
> 
> Though the NY Times has been doing more than its share, another surprising source of distortions on the invasive species issue is NPR's You Bet Your Garden program, whose post <http://www.gardensalive.com/product/lesser-celandinefor-some-a-bitter-buttercup/you_bet_your_garden> on lesser celandine shows up on the first page of a google search. The host, Mike McGrath, who comes from an organic gardening background, attempts to impose the organic ethic on habitat restoration, a subject he seems to know nothing about. He is widely listened to, and his website widely read, making him a significant contributor to the false narrative. Might we want to start a letter writing campaign, perhaps directly to NPR, to have him remove the misinformation from his website?
> 
> As with the NY Times pieces, I've written a detailed critique:
> 
> http://newscompanion.blogspot.com/2016/05/you-bet-your-garden-radio-show.html
> 
> 
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Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 19:05:19 +0000 (UTC)
From: Cheryl Joy Lipton <cheryljoyl at yahoo.com>
To: Kathi Mestayer <kschachinger at gmail.com>, 	"Muth, Norris (MUTH)"
	<MUTH at juniata.edu>
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Many years ago on the radio he told someone who called in that their buddleia was invasive, so that was good, but he didn't give any other information. I wrote an email to him (very positive and friendly, thanking him for his organic gardening years) about it including facts such as the detrimental effects on butterflies and ideas on telling people about alternatives, etc. I never heard from him in response. I've heard him talk about other invasives, not always acknowledging that they are a problem plant. I think the more people contact him about the issue, the better, and hopefully he will be more helpful going forward. A similar frustrating problem is permaculture - one would think they are against invasive non-natives, but not all permaculturists are (maybe most are not, at least the people I have spoken/debated with.)
?Cheryl Joy Lipton

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      From: Kathi Mestayer <kschachinger at gmail.com>
 To: "Muth, Norris (MUTH)" <MUTH at juniata.edu> 
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 Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Another attack on invasive plant control

why not offer him a technical resource/reviewer for when he wants to check his facts?

> On May 10, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Muth, Norris (MUTH) <MUTH at juniata.edu> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if any individuals or groups have tried to reach out to him? He has such a loud voice and broad following we might do better, if there were any hope, of softening or adding nuance to his voice (maybe even making him a convert)?
> 
> I?d be happy to be involved in reaching out, though it might be most likely to succeed if anyone with more knowledge about the show than I could identify an existing contact with him that we could lean on to participate.
> 
> Norris
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Norris Z. Muth, Associate Professor of Biology
> muth at juniata.edu<mailto:muth at juniata.edu>
> 
> office: 1054 VonLiebig Center for Science
> Office Hours Spring 2016
> M 10-11:30, T&F 11-12,? or by appointment
> 
> Juniata College
> 1700 Moore St.
> Huntingdon, PA 16652
> tel: 814-641-3632
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> From: Stephen Hiltner <stevehiltner at gmail.com<mailto:stevehiltner at gmail.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 11:49 AM
> To: "INVASIVES at LISTSERV.UMD.EDU<mailto:INVASIVES at LISTSERV.UMD.EDU>" <INVASIVES at listserv.umd.edu<mailto:INVASIVES at listserv.umd.edu>>, "maipc at lists.maipc.org<mailto:maipc at lists.maipc.org>" <maipc at lists.maipc.org<mailto:maipc at lists.maipc.org>>
> Subject: [MAIPC] Another attack on invasive plant control
> 
> Though the NY Times has been doing more than its share, another surprising source of distortions on the invasive species issue is NPR's You Bet Your Garden program, whose post <http://www.gardensalive.com/product/lesser-celandinefor-some-a-bitter-buttercup/you_bet_your_garden> on lesser celandine shows up on the first page of a google search. The host, Mike McGrath, who comes from an organic gardening background, attempts to impose the organic ethic on habitat restoration, a subject he seems to know nothing about. He is widely listened to, and his website widely read, making him a significant contributor to the false narrative. Might we want to start a letter writing campaign, perhaps directly to NPR, to have him remove the misinformation from his website?
> 
> As with the NY Times pieces, I've written a detailed critique:
> 
> http://newscompanion.blogspot.com/2016/05/you-bet-your-garden-radio-show.html
> 
> 
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