[MAIPC] MAIPC Digest, Vol 70, Issue 8

Kathryn Lambert triplam747 at aol.com
Thu Aug 31 05:35:26 PDT 2017 

Hi Mark, I have used an ax or similar sturdy object  to split a larger woody shrub  all the way down to the middle - this technique  works best for woody shrubs. And as you said - cutting low - this method cuts all the way to the quick. Just one fell swoop as they say. Then I also use black plastic or tarp - the darker the better. This will work for a while - then of course after roughly two years or so they will be back. Hope you find this information useful.
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>   1. non-chemical shrub control techniques (Mark Frey)
>   2. Re: non-chemical shrub control techniques (James Remuzzi)
>   3. Re: non-chemical shrub control techniques (Nathan Hartshorne)
>   4. Re: non-chemical shrub control techniques (Margaret Chatham)
>   5. Re: non-chemical shrub control techniques (Richard Gardner)
>   6. Re: Unknown shrub Kolkwitzia perhaps (Foster, Donna M -FS)
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> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:35:25 -0400
> From: Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [MAIPC] non-chemical shrub control techniques
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> All
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> I have many large invasive shrubs (mostly Viburnum plicatum and Lonicera
> maackii) in the county park near me. I am not able to use herbicide in this
> setting and the plants are mostly too large for a weed wrench. I would like
> to do a simple trial testing a handful of techniques in the late summer and
> the same techniques in the spring. Here are my ideas so far:
> 
> Cut at 24 inches (facilitates repeated cutting)
> Cut as low as possible low
> Cut and peel back the bark (appears to help kill broom)
> Tarp (works well on Eucalyptus)
> 
> Are there any techniques you have seen work better than others for
> non-chemical shrub control?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark Frey
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> From: James Remuzzi <james at sustainablesolutionsllc.net>
> To: Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com>
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> Hi Mark,
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> Is prescribed fire an option? Depending on surface fuel conditions
> -we've had success reducing overall height and density using fire.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> JRR
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> James R. Remuzzi
> Sustainable Solutions, LLC
> www.sustainablesolutionsllc.net
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>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> All
>> 
>> I have many large invasive shrubs (mostly Viburnum plicatum and Lonicera maackii) in the county park near me. I am not able to use herbicide in this setting and the plants are mostly too large for a weed wrench. I would like to do a simple trial testing a handful of techniques in the late summer and the same techniques in the spring. Here are my ideas so far:
>> 
>> Cut at 24 inches (facilitates repeated cutting)
>> Cut as low as possible low
>> Cut and peel back the bark (appears to help kill broom)
>> Tarp (works well on Eucalyptus)
>> 
>> Are there any techniques you have seen work better than others for non-chemical shrub control?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mark Frey
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> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 21:23:16 -0400
> From: Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
> To: Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [MAIPC] non-chemical shrub control techniques
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> I have noticed significant responses to varying levels of shade to some of
> the mechanical control of bushes I have done, so keep that in mind when you
> experiment.  I think these are a bit more shade-happy, however, so there
> might not be as big of a result as with olive.
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> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> All
>> 
>> I have many large invasive shrubs (mostly Viburnum plicatum and Lonicera
>> maackii) in the county park near me. I am not able to use herbicide in this
>> setting and the plants are mostly too large for a weed wrench. I would like
>> to do a simple trial testing a handful of techniques in the late summer and
>> the same techniques in the spring. Here are my ideas so far:
>> 
>> Cut at 24 inches (facilitates repeated cutting)
>> Cut as low as possible low
>> Cut and peel back the bark (appears to help kill broom)
>> Tarp (works well on Eucalyptus)
>> 
>> Are there any techniques you have seen work better than others for
>> non-chemical shrub control?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mark Frey
>> 
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> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 21:24:47 -0400
> From: Margaret Chatham <margaret.chatham at verizon.net>
> To: James Remuzzi <james at sustainablesolutionsllc.net>,	Mark Frey
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> You can also try "buckthorn baggies" -- heavy black plastic bags to put over
> a cut stump to inhibit resprouting -- but if you do, the bags must get down
> to ground level or even a smidge below: any bark left exposed can sprout &
> leave you running around knocking the sprouts off.
> 
> Margaret Chatham
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> On 8/9/17 9:12 PM, "James Remuzzi" <james at sustainablesolutionsllc.net>
> wrote:
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>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Is prescribed fire an option? Depending on surface fuel conditions
>> -we've had success reducing overall height and density using fire.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> JRR
>> 
>> James R. Remuzzi
>> Sustainable Solutions, LLC
>> www.sustainablesolutionsllc.net
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All
>>> 
>>> I have many large invasive shrubs (mostly Viburnum plicatum and Lonicera
>>> maackii) in the county park near me. I am not able to use herbicide in this
>>> setting and the plants are mostly too large for a weed wrench. I would like
>>> to do a simple trial testing a handful of techniques in the late summer and
>>> the same techniques in the spring. Here are my ideas so far:
>>> 
>>> Cut at 24 inches (facilitates repeated cutting)
>>> Cut as low as possible low
>>> Cut and peel back the bark (appears to help kill broom)
>>> Tarp (works well on Eucalyptus)
>>> 
>>> Are there any techniques you have seen work better than others for
>>> non-chemical shrub control?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark Frey
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> MAIPC mailing list
>>> MAIPC at lists.maipc.org
>>> http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org
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> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 11:57:19 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Richard Gardner <rtgardner3 at yahoo.com>
> To: Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com>,  <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
> Subject: Re: [MAIPC] non-chemical shrub control techniques
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> Get a couple people and push them over. I had no problem pushing these plants over, up to 6 feet tall, in our mesic soil woodlot. Or you could get a PullerBear.
> As a note, I tried to purchase a Weed Wrench. However, all I got was an anti-government rant by the owner announcing he?was ending this business.
> ??????????????????????????????????? Richard Gardner
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> On ?Wednesday?, ?August? ?9?, ?2017? ?06?:?35?:?36? ?PM? ?EDT, Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com> wrote:
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> All
> I have many large invasive shrubs (mostly Viburnum plicatum and Lonicera maackii) in the county park near me. I am not able to use herbicide in this setting and the plants are mostly too large for a weed wrench. I would like to do a simple trial testing a handful of techniques in the late summer and the same techniques in the spring. Here are my ideas so far:
> Cut at 24 inches (facilitates repeated cutting)Cut as low as possible lowCut and peel back the bark (appears to help kill broom)Tarp (works well on Eucalyptus)
> Are there any techniques you have seen work better than others for non-chemical shrub control??
> Thanks,Mark Frey_______________________________________________
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> From: "Foster, Donna M -FS" <donnamfoster at fs.fed.us>
> To: Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com>, Art Gover <aeg2 at psu.edu>
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> I say it is closest to Kolkwitzia amabilis per Michael Dirr (although I have never seen it either). Looks like a Philadelphus in the first photo, but definitely not per the second photograph. It?s woody so I doubt it is a Persicaria.
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> From: MAIPC [mailto:maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Frey
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> To: Art Gover <aeg2 at psu.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Unknown shrub Kolkwitzia perhaps
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> Thanks all - I am convinced!
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> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Art Gover <aeg2 at psu.edu<mailto:aeg2 at psu.edu>> wrote:
> I'm with Norris.  Mockorange.
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> Be well.
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>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 08:37, Muth, Norris (MUTH) <MUTH at juniata.edu<mailto:MUTH at juniata.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks a bit like mock orange.
>> 
>> NZ Muth
>> Associate Professor of Biology
>> Juniata College
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>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com<mailto:runcator at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All
>>> 
>>> I saw this shrub yesterday and I can't figure out what it is. I first thought it was Deutzia scabra but the leaf teeth don't look right. Another option is Kolkwitzia amabilis - it has been on my radar but I don't think I have never seen that plant in person.
>>> 
>>> It is opposite, ovate, up to 3 inches long, with a few sparse teeth, long tip and with arching stems.
>>> The specimens I saw were no taller than 2 feet. However, it is an area that may have been recently mowed.
>>> 
>>> Any tips would be much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Mark Frey
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