[MAIPC] MAIPC Digest, Vol 69, Issue 6

Fri Jul 21 09:44:59 PDT 2017

Genetic engineering has been attempted - it is called neonicotoids in plants, killer bees, abalone engineering in which old world and new world were mated and both became endangered - there is a very long list beginning with the first experiments on genetic engineering in WWII by the Japanese on POWs. They attempted to graft lion hearts into humans, and like all others were also dangerous and unsuccesful. Does someone actually think that because someone said Yale that there will be a moral imperative? Hardly - when the driver  is coming out of the U.K. Consider the source first please. 
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>   1. Re: Yale E360 - Should Genetic Engineering Be Used as a Tool
>      for Conservation? (Steve Young)
>   2. Re: Yale E360 - Should Genetic Engineering Be Used as a Tool
>      for Conservation? (Jonathan Duffy)
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> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:06:43 +0000
> From: Steve Young <sly27 at cornell.edu>
> To: "<maipc at lists.maipc.org>" <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
> Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Yale E360 - Should Genetic Engineering Be Used as
> 	a Tool for Conservation?
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> Has anyone thought this all the way through? What happens when the target invasive species is eliminated? Usually, a new one takes its place. So, another gene drive is released? We know what has happened with kudzu and other plants that were introduced for their purported *benefits*.
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> Here is another article on the same topic specific to agricultural pest control that advocates for more discussion and guidelines before we charge full force ahead: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.15252/embr.201744205/full
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> I did think the quote ?if we [conservationists] don?t do so [engage] it will be at our peril? from Mr. Conniff?s piece was pretty key.
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> Steve
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> From: MAIPC <maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org> on behalf of Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 4:24 PM
> To: Jonathan Duffy <jrd at kinlochfarm.com>
> Cc: MAIPSC listserv <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
> Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Yale E360 - Should Genetic Engineering Be Used as a Tool for Conservation?
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> I thought it was pretty good.  I think our field has a lot of people with expertise that could be useful in working on safe implementation, specifically those well-rehearsed in current bio-control, which has many of the same issues.
> I don't think anyone should try these methods in a no-kill scenario.  One method is rarely enough.  All those Australian bunnies got the last laugh.
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> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Jonathan Duffy <jrd at kinlochfarm.com<mailto:jrd at kinlochfarm.com>> wrote:
> Food for thought?..
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> Should Genetic Engineering Be Used as a Tool for Conservation?
> By Richard Conniff
> http://e360.yale.edu/features/should-new-genetic-engineering-be-used-as-a-conservation-tool
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> From: Jonathan Duffy <jrd at kinlochfarm.com>
> To: Steve Young <sly27 at cornell.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Yale E360 - Should Genetic Engineering Be Used as
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> It is a double edged sword and I adit to being conflicted on the subject.
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> Jonathan
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>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Steve Young <sly27 at cornell.edu> wrote:
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>> Has anyone thought this all the way through? What happens when the target invasive species is eliminated? Usually, a new one takes its place. So, another gene drive is released? We know what has happened with kudzu and other plants that were introduced for their purported *benefits*.
>> 
>> Here is another article on the same topic specific to agricultural pest control that advocates for more discussion and guidelines before we charge full force ahead: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.15252/embr.201744205/full <http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.15252/embr.201744205/full>
>> 
>> I did think the quote ?if we [conservationists] don?t do so [engage] it will be at our peril? from Mr. Conniff?s piece was pretty key.
>> 
>> Steve
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>> From: MAIPC <maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org> on behalf of Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 4:24 PM
>> To: Jonathan Duffy <jrd at kinlochfarm.com>
>> Cc: MAIPSC listserv <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Yale E360 - Should Genetic Engineering Be Used as a Tool for Conservation?
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>> I thought it was pretty good.  I think our field has a lot of people with expertise that could be useful in working on safe implementation, specifically those well-rehearsed in current bio-control, which has many of the same issues.
>> 
>> I don't think anyone should try these methods in a no-kill scenario.  One method is rarely enough.  All those Australian bunnies got the last laugh.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Jonathan Duffy <jrd at kinlochfarm.com <mailto:jrd at kinlochfarm.com>> wrote:
>>> Food for thought?..
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>>> Should Genetic Engineering Be Used as a Tool for Conservation?
>>> By Richard Conniff
>>> http://e360.yale.edu/features/should-new-genetic-engineering-be-used-as-a-conservation-tool <http://e360.yale.edu/features/should-new-genetic-engineering-be-used-as-a-conservation-tool>
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