[MAIPC] Non-chemical Viburnum control

Sun Oct 20 19:04:20 PDT 2019

I am all for using herbicides, but there are industries devoted to making
you think it's always awful (even ones that use herbicides), so many people
are highly skeptical and it can sometimes be easier to just skip them.
Also areas of public access have more regulations (and more people
complaining about herbicides), so it is good to have an arsenal of methods.

Regarding why people don't always plant where invasives are removed,
typically it's money and time (which is money since it's manpower/staff
power).  Also sometimes you want to clear an area for multiple years before
putting down a planting.  That said, when possible, it's definitely best to
plant/seed.

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 8:34 PM Wakeford, Anne M <Anne.M.Wakeford at wv.gov>
wrote:

> Maybe plant native species in its place. No point in substituting one
> invasive for another.
>
> Anne
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 20, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Marc Imlay <ialm at erols.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, pull out the small ones. There are places in MG county with dozens at
> tree size
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> *From:* Richard Gardner <rtgardner3 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2019 7:34 PM
> *To:* 'Stephen Hiltner' <stevehiltner at gmail.com>; 'Nathan Hartshorne' <
> nshartshorne at gmail.com>; Marc Imlay <ialm at erols.com>
> *Cc:* 'MAIPC Listserve' <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [MAIPC] Non-chemical Viburnum control
>
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> I found that, in our yard at least, the bush honeysuckles pulled out
> relatively easily by hand. The problem we had afterwards is that other
> plants such as oriental bittersweet and multiflora rose replaced the bush
> honeysuckles.
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> My suggestion is to start with a "Pullerbear", then go to chemicals if
> absolutely necessary. Winter is a good time to do this if the ground is not
> frozen at the time. Also I suggest goats for vegetation, guinea fowl (and
> opossums) for ticks and other arthropods.
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>                                                  Richard Gardner
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> On Sunday, October 20, 2019, 12:44:02 PM EDT, Marc Imlay <ialm at erols.com>
> wrote:
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> Agreed! In Montgomery County thousands of citizens are getting Lyme
> disease from deer ticks because patches of  Asiatic Bush Honeysuckle
> increases the risk by a factor of ten. Cut stump is needed with herbicide
> to effectively remove it. Marc Imlay
>
>
>
> *From:* MAIPC <maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org> *On Behalf Of *Stephen
> Hiltner
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:39 AM
> *To:* Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* MAIPC Listserve (maipc at lists.maipc.org) <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [MAIPC] Non-chemical Viburnum control
>
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> I encourage people to think of herbicides, when used in highly targeted
> and minimalist treatments like stump treatments, as a form of western
> medicine for nature. We don't deprive doctors and ourselves of the use of
> manufactured medicines, all of which have some level of toxicity. Why,
> then, are we depriving land managers of similar options for the healing of
> nature? It's unfair to us, and yet another example of how people adopt
> attitudes that fill their need to feel good about themselves, rather than
> figuring out what's best for nature.
>
>
>
> The NY Times feeds this sort of thinking with articles like this one
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/dining/drinks/climate-change-regenerative-agriculture-wine.html#commentsContainer&permid=103173259:103173259>,
> a couple days ago, which leads with a wine grower denying the reality of
> invasive species. NY Times columnist Margaret Renkl has also characterized
> all pesticides as poisons. Oftentimes, these blanket condemnations come
> from the same people who claim all plants are good. It's lazy thinking,
> usually by people who don't actually have to do the work, and represents a
> failure to make important distinctions. Few people would take seriously the
> contention that all bacteria are good, and that we shouldn't use
> antibiotics because they are overused in agriculture. What's actually being
> said is that people matter, and nature really doesn't. And land managers
> are left holding the bag.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> https://www.newscompanion.com/search?q=invasive (writings about invasive
> species denial)
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> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:07 PM Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> That's good to know.  There must be ways that are still avoiding
> pesticides, but less obtrusive and easier to manage than tarps.  Maybe
> something thick and environmentally safe painted on (if allowed by
> herbicide regulations), or string/stakes and a biodegradable plastic.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 6:10 PM Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It resprouts well from the stump when cut and it does, in general,
> resprout some from roots. My observations though suggest that no new root
> sprouts emerged from tarped or cut plants.
>
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> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:33 PM Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Without a tarp, would this plant typically resprout from the stump or in a
> bushy manner with shoots at some distance away, and if so, up to how far
> away?
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> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All
>
>
>
> Over the last couple of years I have been volunteering for Montgomery
> County, MD as a Weed Warrior. As part of that work I have been faced with a
> stand of Viburnum and I have been restricted from using chemicals. I tested
> a few treatments and learned that tarping is very effective and gained some
> other insights. It isn't really a robust study but the results are
> nonetheless conclusive and directly pertinent to land managers. I'm
> attaching it here in the hopes that others managing woody plants in the mid
> Atlantic will consider tarping when chemical control is not an option.
>
>
>
> Mark
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