[MAIPC] Native Garden Friend Challenge

[Nathan Hartshorne]

A friend saw this, wrote me, and now his garden is expanding by four large
spotted bee balm that I was trying to find a home for.  So the Native
Garden Friend Challenge is working out.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 1:42 PM Randall, Johnny <jrandall at email.unc.edu>
wrote:

> Richard: I certainly appreciate your thoughts on domesticated plants (and
> if they are native). I would argue that there is a continuum between
> “native” native plants and “altered” native plants. Much depends on how
> long, and to what extent, these have been in cultivation and the source of
> the seeds from which plants were grown.
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> I use a similar argument that I call “cultivation is not conservation”
> that is primarily aimed at rare plant sales. See our policy on such at
> https://ncbg.unc.edu/files/2019/08/RarePlantPolicy.7-08.pdf I look
> forward your comments!
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> Johnny Randall
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> Johnny Randall, PhD
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> Consider a Venus flytrap plate!
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> *From:* MAIPC <maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org> *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Gardner
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:33 AM
> *To:* MAIPC Listserve (maipc at lists.maipc.org) <maipc at lists.maipc.org>;
> Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [MAIPC] Native Garden Friend Challenge
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> I collect local wild seeds and plants because I am more comfortable with
> them than nursery bought for two reasons. The first reason is if I am in a
> minimally managed wild area I am fairly certain the seeds are from locally
> native plants that were not originally from seed catalogues. Even though
> the plants species may be native where I live the "native" plants may have
> come from up to hundreds of miles from my home. The species may be native
> but the genetics are not. The second reason is that regardless of a
> nursery's intentions it will cull out genetic variability by saving seeds
> from specific plants which meet the characteristics desired. This may be
> unintentional but after a few generations this will begin to show.
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> To me the biggest question is are domesticated native plants native? I do
> not think so.
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> I did a PPT on this subject:
> https://www.slideshare.net/rtgardner3/using-ecological-utility-to-define-native-plants-nenhc-2017
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>                                                Richard Gardner
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> On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 09:29:12 AM EDT, Nathan Hartshorne <
> nshartshorne at gmail.com> wrote:
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> We all have friends who would be interested in a native garden, but the
> effort and cost feel prohibitive, even though they really aren't.  Last
> year, I decided to start experimenting with growing the plants myself and
> giving them away, even planting them at friends'.  Obviously we don't want
> to take business away from the local native nurseries, but this creates a
> push that many people need.  And once they see the bees going nuts over bee
> balm, goldenrod, etc. they can really get into it and then support the
> native nurseries.
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> So now that we're well into fall, consider buying seeds online and
> preparing for next spring.  Packets can have a couple hundred seeds and
> cost a couple dollars, so it's not difficult to get started with a wide
> variety.  Just make sure that the native seeds you purchase are native to
> your region, some local regions can be very specific.
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> If you do decide to do this, please let me know.
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