[MAIPC] native plants that discourage Japanese Stilt grass?

Fri May 7 13:30:15 PDT 2021

Packera aurea, Golden groundsel, discourages Japanese Stilt grass and deer. So should we plant it as a native biocontrol in the Piedmont and Mountain natural areas, especially if it also protects neighboring native plants? Just a thought. Marc

Growing Area:

Mountains, Piedmont

https://plants.ncwildflower.org/plant_galleries/details/packera-aurea

From: lindarieger at verizon.net <mailto:lindarieger at verizon.net>  <lindarieger at verizon.net <mailto:lindarieger at verizon.net> > 
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 3:34 PM
To: ialm at erols.com <mailto:ialm at erols.com> 
Subject: Re: native plants that discourage the deer

Packura aurea is probably your best bet. 

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Sent: Fri, May 7, 2021 2:05 pm
Subject: FW: native plants that discourage the deer

Hey Linda,

What are the native plants that discourage Japanese Stilt grass?

Marc

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Subject: Re: native plants that discourage the deer

Neat!

If someone recorded the program, or has some slides and notes or pictures to share, this would be a good thing to write a blog about - "plant these natives plants to discourage deer in your yard" - and post and promote along with a reminder that tick season has started and to protect yourself especially if there are deer in the area

thx, Laurel

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:04 PM Marc Imlay <ialm at erols.com <mailto:ialm at erols.com> > wrote:

native plants that discourage the deer:

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Subject: Re: native plants that discourage the deer

native plants that discourage the deer- not inclusive

Packera aurea Golden groundsel

Wisteria frutescens Native wisteria

Virginia creeper

Native honeysuckle

Viburnum nudum

Goat’s Beard

Sedges

Violets

Winterberry

Red stem dogwood

Buttonbush

River oats and other native grasses

Red Trumpet Vine

Mountain mints 

Butterfly weed and all milkweeds

Amsonia

baptisia

ferns

Bottlebrush Buckeye

Golden Alexander

asters

Zizia

Green and Gold

Yarrow

boneset

Liatris

obedient plant

blue mistflower

white snakeroot

sedum ternatum

many ephemerials

pussytoes 

On Apr 30, 2021, at 9:07 PM, Marc Imlay <ialm at erols.com <mailto:ialm at erols.com> > wrote:

Please register for May 5 at  1-2 pm to find out what native plants to plant in your native plan yard. Linda will discuss native plants that discourage the deer and bring color in your garden throughout the seasons. 

Marc

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Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2021 9:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Updating NPC tick info

Please join us Lily.

PLEASE DO NOT FORGET -  “Q & As ABOUT DEVELOPING A NATIVE GARDEN” with Linda Rieger is TOMORROW, MAY 5 at 1:00 – 2:00 PM.

This event is presented by Little Falls Village in partnership with Little Falls Library of Montgomery County Public Libraries. 

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Subject: Re: Updating NPC tick info

I will look over these later today.  I have a presentation to give right after lunch.  I will be letting the participants know about the Sierra Club's emphasis on Natural Places. 

Linda 

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Subject: RE: Updating NPC tick info

The articles look good to me. Although I was surprised about the article on Black Locust. Marc

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Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 2:41 PM
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Subject: Updating NPC tick info

Marc and Linda,  Please look over these papers on recent documentation of the tick lyme etc disease cycle.  I  want to make sure our public guidance is up-to-date.
Lily

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I’m attaching some key papers and happy to discuss. You could also check in with Megan Fritz in UMD Entomology (mfritz13 at umd.edu <mailto:mfritz13 at umd.edu> ), who mostly studies mosquitos but has also done quite a bit of work with ticks. She would be a great resource for either providing clear answers or pointing you to people who could.

All I know is based on a not super careful reading of these papers (but I’m pretty good at this…). From this, I would say that asserting that the presence of bush honeysuckle or barberry at a site greatly increases the risk of lyme disease looks to me like at best a great oversimplification--but is not without some basis (also: some other plants may be equally problematic). I think checking in with Megan about this would be worth trying.

On May 3, 2021, at 6:40 PM, Lily Fountain <lily.fountain at mdsierra.org <mailto:lily.fountain at mdsierra.org> > wrote:

Natural places publicizes this information all over the place so if it is possibly false I want an open discussion about the current state of the literature.  I had to take antibiotics for both the dog tick and the Lone Star tick.

Lily

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Secretary, Prince George's Group
NAACP Lifetime Member
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As for the lyme disease-honeysuckle/barberry connection, there may be one, but the PNAS paper cited in the news release you shared, which is apparently where the 10X number comes from, is (a) about a different species of tick, the lone star tick, which is not known to transmit lyme disease, and (b) it estimated the density of ticks infested with bacteria causing erlichiosis, which is not the same as estimating the risk of humans in the area being infected. Some other studies have found that certain plants such as barberry and bush honeysuckle (and native black locust, which is also at the site?) appear to concentrate infected black-legged ticks (Lyme disease vectors) BUT that the risk of actual transmission to humans may in fact be lower than it is in forests without these plants due to other aspects of tick ecology and behavior. There are also scale issues, i.e., the effect at different spatial scales is not necessarily consistent, which can be very important if what we’re really interested in is disease transmission.  Bottom line is that the (vague) assertion that the presence of bush honeysuckle and barberry increases the risk of contracting Lyme disease by a factor of 10 seems not to be grounded in published research (based on my literature searches last night and today). That said, I’m all for eliminating non-native barberry and honeysuckle from our continent and it is POSSIBLE that this could reduce Lyme disease risk. 

On May 3, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Lily Fountain <lily.fountain at mdsierra.org <mailto:lily.fountain at mdsierra.org> > wrote:

I’m emailing just the two of you because I don’t want to bruise any egos (Marc’s or Sally’s), but...

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