<div dir="ltr"><div>Chagrined. . .indeed I did post the wrong link</div><div><br></div><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/metro/urban-jungle/pages/100803.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/metro/urban-jungle/pages/100803.html</a><br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Randall, John L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jrandall@email.unc.edu" target="_blank">jrandall@email.unc.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Ha, ha, ha, ha… Is this a dupe or did you post the wrong link?
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rutkosky, Flavia<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 16, 2013 5:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Deborah Landau<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kathi Mestayer; <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>>; <<a href="mailto:dwbealer@yahoo.com" target="_blank">dwbealer@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Poison ivy management<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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all naturally-occurring oils from your skin; thus, if you are re-exposed that same day (say you touch an unwashed tool, or you still have some on your clothes), your skin will have no protection at all. I like John Ambler’s Dawn washing method, my only addition
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathi Mestayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carol<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:dwbealer@yahoo.com" target="_blank">dwbealer@yahoo.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Poison ivy management</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was doing english ivy removal both times. The second time, I got it from leaning against a vine that was on a tree infested with english ivy, that I was doing an intervention
on. Got it through a cotton tshirt; thought I might've had shingles!<br>
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>From Kathi Mestayer's Cellphone<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We've found that you can be immune in one part of the country and then get poison ivy in another region, so don't
get cocky. We learned this through Americorps teams who can to work with us.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
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<a href="mailto:dwbealer@yahoo.com" title="dwbealer@yahoo.com" target="_blank">dwbealer@yahoo.com</a> ;
<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" title="maipc@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal">p.s. you can get poison ivy in the dead of winter. I've done it two Januaries in a row. I'm a slow learner.
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<p class="MsoNormal">(1) Yes, the oils can remain active even if the plants are old and dead. Under NO circumstances should the plants (dried or alive) be burned, the oils can become airborne and breathed
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eat the PI. They are immune to the toxin. You could also get a dumpster service and place the PI directly in there so that workers would only have to handle it once. Also, again depending on how much you have; sleeve-length rubber gloves might be necessary
to protect workers. Lastly, rubbing alcohol dissolves the oil so have plenty of that on hand. Workers will have 15 minutes from the time of contact to clean up with rubbing alcohol to help avoid the rash; all tools should be wiped down at the end of the day.
Again, depending of the size of the vines you're working with; if you just have a few big ones, cutting them with hand tools and painting the stump with a brush kill will kill the root so you don't have to dig it up.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>From:</b> Dennis Bealer <<a href="mailto:dwbealer@yahoo.com" target="_blank">dwbealer@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> September 3, 2013, 3:35:10 PM EDT<br>
<b>To:</b> "<a href="mailto:info@maipc.org" target="_blank">info@maipc.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:info@maipc.org" target="_blank">info@maipc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>Poison ivy management</b><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If we uproot the plants and discard on the surface to dry out, would we endanger other workers who might contact
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