<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14530" dir="ltr">Around here in Berks County, PA, I am having a hard time finding healthy multiflora rose to experiment on. Between rose rosette disease and a <em id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14603">Colletotrichum sp</em>. fungal pathogen the multiflora rose are dying across the landscape.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14644" dir="ltr"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14639" dir="ltr">As far as manual removal of multiflora, I use a pruning hook or pole saw to cut at the base of the plant without me getting hung up in the thorns. Then either a spading fork or sharpened shovel is used to remove the stump.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14673" dir="ltr"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14674" dir="ltr">In our woodlot, most of the bush honeysuckles come out by pulling hard. I use a PullerBear for the tougher plants. Many if not most have <em id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14878">Insolibasidium deformans</em> infections. This summer I will be looking to find mites associated with this infection in the same way eriphyoid mites are associated with rose rosette disease and possibly the different pathogens killing <em>Ailanthus altissima</em>. I am seeing a lot of the honeysuckle aphid, <em id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14835">Hyadaphis tartaricae</em>, in the area.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14693" dir="ltr"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14694" dir="ltr">Oriental bittersweet - when I used the PullerBear to remove the roots, there were clusters of fine roots along the main root which made it much harder to remove the roots.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14893" dir="ltr"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14894" dir="ltr">On one of our spading forks I replaced the standard handle with a long shovel handle to make it easier to turn soil and remove weeds.</div><br> <blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14476" style="padding-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14475" style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14474" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14473" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14538"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14539" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> frazmo <frazmo@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Stephen L. Young <sly27@cornell.edu> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> maipc@lists.maipc.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 15, 2015 10:45 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [MAIPC] does Chlorox work on cut stems?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14540"><br><div id="yiv3188661850"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14542"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14541" dir="ltr">I appreciate the thoughtful interjection by one of my fellow Steve Youngs and the general discussion in this thread. I will just add, I believe in the idea of adaptive management, that we view every action we take as an experiment and seek to monitor what outcomes result and adapt our subsequent activities accordingly. And sharing information as we are doing here is vital.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14543" dir="ltr">Along those lines, I will just throw in that with multiflora rose, I have found that when its stems are cut, indeed it resprouts vigorously, bit over a year or two the roots seem to start to extend themselves out of the ground such that they become much easier to pull out entirely.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14556">The following is not in support or defense of any one technique or method but a broader discussion on this whole topic. Some will say it is hogwash, but I’m only sharing what I think is the larger issue, which is how can we do things better without knocking
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429183946318_14574">In these discussions, what always seems to happen is that when the topic of alternatives to pesticides comes up, the pesticide people feel like they’re getting picked on and the alternative folks feel like they’re being made fun of. I’ve seen it happen
again and again and I think the issue is really how can we do things better instead of knocking one technique or another.</div>
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<div>Yes, we’ve made advances in our tools for management, but there are still a lot of problems associated with how inefficient and ineffective we’ve been in their use and many invasive plants are doing quite well with or without our intervention. This is
not an attack on pesticides or any other method or even on invasive plant management, but instead a way of thinking differently in an effort to find ways to do things better. Think of the fast food industry – it is not sustainable to constantly eat unhealthy
food. Numerous scientific studies show this to be true. Does it mean we should avoid fast food completely? No, but some do. Should we be critical of them? Others choose to eat nothing but fast food. More than likely, their health reflects this choice. This
is just an example. I am not suggesting pesticides are like fast food, but instead any technique that is overly relied on is like fast food. If our society was more science literate and didn’t pay so much attention to the media, then they would have the information
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<div>What I find especially disturbing is that no one ever talks about the long-term affects from putting things into the environment and I don't just mean pesticides, but plastics, cosmetics, synthetic products of all types, and even spent uranium. Why can’t
manufacturers, companies, and even government agencies just admit that they don’t know what is going to happen? I think this is what frustrates a lot of people. Where is the humility in being able to admit that we don’t have all the answers and we don’t know
if in the long-term what we’re doing now is actually safe? Why are we so confident in agencies and regulations that are not perfect and have yet to provide long-term protection? In the early 1900’s, kudzu was introduced for erosion control and to improve soil
fertility. It was promoted by the government. That turned out to be not the best choice, but we thought it was then. A long, long time ago, it was thought that the sun revolved around the earth and the earth was flat. Those who thought otherwise were laughed
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<div>Why do we defend a certain practice or approach and then either show why we think we’re right or why we think others are wrong when there is no clear answer? Wouldn’t it be wiser to see that we’re all trying to achieve the same goal and that each of the
techniques we support or contend for based on our personal views has a weakness and that we need to be inclusive and not exclusive? Why pick apart each others’ approaches when none by themselves are the answer? If we believe the use of all of the "tools in
the toolbox” principle, then shouldn’t we be allowed to pursue new tools or new ideas of how to better use existing tools that results in us getting better overall? </div>
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<div>There are more philosophical and idealogical underpinnings that need to be included in this topic, instead of just focusing negatively on each others methods that we choose to use or have an interest in. Not sure if this is the right venue or listserv
for this type of discussion, but it should be happening more often than it does.</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] does Chlorox work on cut stems?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="background: white;"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Bravo Rick! I could not agree more!<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3188661850MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">It is such a disservice to natural resource managers that fear mongering over the word "pesticide" leads ill-informed groups, townships, etc
to consider banning pesticide use; and what wise expert decides what constitutes an "emergency"? I have also heard proposals to use steam to kill weeds, not mentioning that the steam will kill unsuspecting insects, amphibians, birds and other wildlife that
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<div class="yiv3188661850MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Pesticides that are available for our use have gone through years of testing and research and are licensed by the EPA and State Departments
of Agriculture for specific uses and application rates, as noted on their labels - which constitute federal law under the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, Rodenticide Act or FIFRA. Most of the problems we hear in the media are caused by individuals using pesticide
products in violation of the label instructions, which is a criminal act; i.e. recent bumble bee kill in Oregon. An herbicide probably used in your town for broadleaf weed control, 2,4-D, just celebrated its 70th birthday and the sky did not fall. If you
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<div class="yiv3188661850MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I am attending the Trilateral Conference (Canada, US, Mexico) in San Diego, CA as I write this, where I just gave a presentation showing how
we are restoring milkweed and other wildflowers to benefit Monarch butterfly, bees, birds, and other pollinators using herbicides judiciously applied to control invasive plants and problem species. We need to restore millions of acres of prairie habitat in
North America over the next few years to insure the survival of Monarchs, native bees and songbirds. Herbicides are a "tool in the tool box" to allow successful habitat restoration to occur. So to you and others on this list serve, do us all a favor and
speak out against unnecessary bans on the use of pesticides, and only use them according to label instructions.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Hello, there is a group locally that wants to ban pesticides in parks except in emergencies. It has been suggested that Chlorox will do the work of Roundup in painting
cut shrub etc. stems, maybe in other situations as well, not sure. Anyone have any comments on this?</span><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Ruth Douglas</span><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
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