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    Jake,<br>
    <br>
    I LOVE flaming invasives (especially with the ground as wet as it
    is)..  It is very cathartic.  Feels like watching the wicked witch
    melt.  Of course the advantage is that perennials and most grasses
    recover fairly quickly and no herbicides used.<br>
    <br>
    Rather than buy the pre assembled kit, I bought the the torch and an
    Alice Pack frame separately.  A 20 lb cylinder feels good (attach to
    frame with gripper load straps) so no need to buy the 10 lb
    cylinder.  Saved about $90.<br>
    <br>
    Freaks out one of my neighbors, but he annoys me anyway.  FWIW, I do
    wear Nomex.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/13/2015 9:32 PM, Hughes, Jake
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        <div>Lori,</div>
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        <div>We have a pretty bad problem with Oriental lady's thumb
          (Polygonum cespitosum, Persicaria longiseta) here at
          Shenandoah National Park.  Like the native PA smartweed, it
          has pink flowers/fruit, but they're smaller, and the leaf
          sheath around the stem (ocrea) is fringed with long hairs. 
          It's our second most widespread and abundant nonnative weed,
          and is often found in near monocultures.  Oriental lady's
          thumb seems to really thrive and persist in mesic, higher
          elevation sites in the park.  At lower elevations it seems a
          bit more ephemeral.     </div>
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        <div>Assuming your smartweed is confirmed as this or another of
          the small handful of nonnative species, you're
          correct--you won't find much guidance on dealing with it. 
          We've found it's easy to kill, but not very easy to kill
          without collateral damage.  A glyphosate product such as Rodeo
          (54% glyphosate) can be used at low concentrations (0.5% has
          been pretty consistently effective, 0.25% less so) on heavy
          infestations.  Weed whacking it close to the ground before
          seed set can knock it back.  In upland areas, preemergent
          products (e.g. pendimethalin, prodiamine) can be useful, and
          are probably your best option for avoiding damage to native
          perennials.  But these may not be an option if you're near a
          stream.  Contact herbicides such as pelargonic acid (e.g.
          Scythe at 5 to 10% concentration) are also pretty effective,
          if applied early and before rigid stems develop.  Flaming with
          a propane torch should work too, if you're into that.</div>
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        <div>Since mowing probably leaves enough above-ground tissue for
          the plants to rebound, I doubt it would effectively control
          Oriental lady's thumb.  And certainly if it's being mowed
          after seed set, the seeds are being thrown far and wide. </div>
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        <div>Hope this is somewhat helpful, should you need to deal with
          this plant.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Lori
          Bowes <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                <div><span>Hi.  I get confused about smartweed/knotweed
                    but I can say that every time I have asked a
                    plant-knowledgeable person about our smartweed, they
                    felt it was the invasive type.</span></div>
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                <div dir="ltr"><span>I think in my haste to get this
                    posted before a Grounds meeting I relied on a google
                    entry that told me that PA smartweed was invasive so
                    I thought that was the one we have.</span></div>
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                <div dir="ltr"><span>I guess I need to affirm that my
                    ocrea is not bristled.</span></div>
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                <div dir="ltr"><span>Assuming ours is the invasive
                    species, if you have guidance on whether mowing is
                    worsening the problem, please let me know.</span></div>
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                <div dir="ltr"><span>Thanks,</span></div>
                <div dir="ltr"><span>Lori</span></div>
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                              On Monday, July 13, 2015 4:40 PM, Art
                              Gover <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:aeg2@psu.edu"
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                          <div>I like PA smartweed.  It’s native and
                            charming and fills space.  Sure about the
                            ID?<br>
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                            Be well.<br>
                            <br>
                            Art<br>
                            <br>
                            Penn State Wildland Weed Management<br>
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                            > On Jul 13, 2015, at 16:37, frazmo <<a
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                              target="_blank">frazmo@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
                            > <br>
                            > Any thoughts out there in MAIPC land?
                            If possible, copy the asker,  <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:lrbowes2@yahoo.com"
                              target="_blank">lrbowes2@yahoo.com</a>,
                            directly also as I'm not sure she's on our
                            list. Cheers, Steve Young<br>
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                            > From: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            [NativePlantseast]" <<a
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                            > Date: Jul 13, 2015 12:34 PM<br>
                            > Subject: [NativePlantseast] Smartweed
                            management?<br>
                            > To: <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            > My community has an abundance of
                            Polygonum pensylvanicum on a turf hillside
                            that abuts a stream (on the other side of
                            which is a wooded area) and a terraced
                            native plant area (with asters, goldenrods,
                            grasses, viburnums, violets, etc).  The
                            Polygonum is thriving amongst the turf and
                            is constantly invading the native plant
                            terrace.<br>
                            > <br>
                            > <br>
                            > <br>
                            > We have some flexibility in how we
                            manage the turf hillside in terms of
                            mowing.  Can anyone offer some thoughts or
                            guidance?<br>
                            > <br>
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                            > <br>
                            > I haven't found much on the web in the
                            way of guidance for this topic.<br>
                            > <br>
                            > <br>
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                            > Thanks,<br>
                            > <br>
                            > Lori<br>
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                            > Arlington, VA<br>
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        <div class="gmail_signature">Jake Hughes<br>
          Lead Biological Science Technician<br>
          Shenandoah National Park<br>
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