<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">You know, I think people deny those things that are awkward or effortful or costly (in their terms) to admit. Unfortunately, that might be what tips the scales.<div>k</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="font-size: 14px; ">Kathi Mestayer</div><div style="font-size: 14px; ">105 Gilley Drive</div><div style="font-size: 14px; ">Williamsburg, Va 23188</div><div style="font-size: 14px; "><a href="mailto:kwren@widomaker.com">kwren@widomaker.com</a></div><div style="font-size: 14px; ">757-229-6575</div></div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">757-229-9396 (fax)</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="font-size: 17px; ">"If someone asks you about the error on your results and</div><div style="font-size: 17px; ">you're not sure, just say "two percent"". </div><div style="font-size: 17px; ">-Richard Taylor, Nobel Laureate in Physics</div></div></span></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></span>
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<br><div><div>On Sep 4, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Stephen L. Young <<a href="mailto:sly27@cornell.edu">sly27@cornell.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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<div>Interesting piece. A couple of points that stood out that were not the obvious ones made by Steve. First, is “And they suggest that invasive plants actually have benefits.”, which I think does have some truth to it if placed in context. For example, eastern
red cedar a native in the Midwest has benefits, but not since burning has been curbed or eliminated in many areas. Other examples exist, but the question is how much and what kind of benefits and are they enough to warrant inaction? The other point is the
whole idea of ‘deniers’, whether climate, invasives, life on Mars, fracking effects on ground water, non-point source pollution, the existence of God, racial profiling, and the list of controversial topics goes on. Why do we deny the things that have evidence
that conclusively shows that they do or don’t exist or they do or don’t happen? I think it is because of our belief system or what we do and don’t want to believe and whether that fits with the world each of us lives in, while making secondary the world that
we all live in. We have a moral obligation when the evidence shows that something is detrimental, beneficial, present, absent, etc. to do what is right and I think this is where the challenge lies and has always been – the evidence, our beliefs, and values
or valuation, which is captured in Steve’s statement, “We love our places and want to restore them to health.” </div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Steve Young (from Ithaca) </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>MAIPC <<a href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org">maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>> on behalf of frazmo <<a href="mailto:frazmo@gmail.com">frazmo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 8:41 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[MAIPC] Invasives skeptics and their nouveau ecosystems<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">For folks who attended the MAIPC conference last month, you might have heard me mention "invasives skeptics." Later, someone posted a link to an extremely annoying Harper's article that took some nasty shots against us anti-invasivites. So I finally
was rousted to write something about this topic that had been simmering on my mind for a while. If interested, please take a look at my Plantwhacker blog here:</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.plantwhacker.com/2015/09/invasives-skeptics-and-their-nouveau.html">http://www.plantwhacker.com/2015/09/invasives-skeptics-and-their-nouveau.html</a></div><div dir="ltr">Cheers, Steve Young (Arlington VA)</div>
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