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Milo,<br>
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I also am learning to "manage it". I am surrounded on 3 sides (one
uphill, one downhill) of stiltgrass. Not too worried about
downhill; but water dispersal from the top (roadway) and side
(neighbor who graded his property to drain into mine (to be explored
legally) caused me to think about how to protect the meadow we are
establishing.<br>
<br>
Along the top I built a 200 ft swale that takes the storm water from
the road and dumps it onto an area of my property that will be
"forever lawn". This gets mowed.<br>
<br>
Along the line with my neighbor, I installed 300 ft of silt sock
AND silt fence. This dramatically reduced the damage done by his
water drainage and stops the stiltgrass seed at the property line.
He knows better than to complain about the view (which on my side is
blocked by winterberry, Father Gila, pawpaw, etc).<br>
<br>
To get rid of stiltgrass in areas I am protecting, I mulch (pine
fine), pull, torch and use a pre emergent in areas with perennials
and an herbicde that targets it in areas that have grasses. I even
planted native grasses that are tolerant of that herbicide.<br>
<br>
The area below is 7 acres of solid stiltgrass; seems to even be
killing the multiflora rose. Called the owner to see if I could
work with him but....<br>
<br>
Interestingly, my area has NOT had a deer problem (been here 30
years) and since I have cameras I know deer are not here at night.
The seed here is dispersed by water flow. There is no browse line.
And I know the problem with the area below came from heavy
disturbance about 5 years ago. Before that it was a healthy old
field.<br>
<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Regards,
Dewey Clark,
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will just add that on a small piece of property that I own,
I have effectively lessened its presence by letting it grow
out long (but obviously before it seeds) and then raking it
up with a stiff metal rake, and bagging it to get it off the
property.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dewey<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2015 1:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> MarneyB <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marneyb@earthlink.net"><marneyb@earthlink.net></a><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] FW: Stilt grass question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marney,<br>
<br>
You may also be getting the "mulch effect". NYS DEC has done
work at Minnewaska SP that suggests mulching stiltgrass along
trails suppresses it.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Dewey Clark,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>g<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/28/2015 12:49 PM, MarneyB wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Oak
leaves, too. For the same reasons. I have kept much of my
property free of stilt grass by mulching with the leaves
from my pin oak (topped with pine needles so the leaves
don’t blow away).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ellis, Michael<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2015 9:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Earl "Bud" Reaves Jr.; tomnjan2<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] FW: Stilt grass question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Bud, and I was going to
say Hollies and laurels/rhododendrons/azaleas generally
prefer to grow in acidic soils. You should also notice
less stilt grass growing in pine forests and under large
pines due to acidity of decomposing pine needles.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd further venture to say the rate
of decomposition of the strong holly and laurel leaves
may be playing a role. The dense lignin/cellulose
content of holly leaves means it takes at least two
years for the leaves to break down. My thought is that
these trees may be self mulching and stilt grass may
have a hard time establishing in areas of dense, long
lasting leaf litter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michael Ellis<br>
Non-Native Invasive Plant Specialist<br>
Natural and Historical Resources Division, Park Ranger
Office<br>
The Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning
Commission<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:240-429-5042">240-429-5042</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Earl "Bud" Reaves Jr. <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 9:30 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [MAIPC] FW: Stilt grass question<br>
To: tomnjan2 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Cc: MA-IPC MA-IPC <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS",serif">I
think it may be a soil condition, specifically a low
pH from the accumulation of leaf debris. Stilt
grass is known to prefer more basic soils.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:46 AM,
tomnjan2 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">There were areas that little
light was clearly at play, but a blanketed grass
area with a lone Holly still didn't have grass
below. Tree heights were mixed, and many were in
significant sunlight as well. This variety of
holly is more open than common garden type. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jan <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sep 28, 2015, at 8:03 AM, "Hughes, Jake"
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<p class="MsoNormal">My guess is that light
limitation is at work. Cole and Weltzin
found the same pattern with paw paw
(Asimina triloba):
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Cole,
P.G. and J.F. Weltzin. 2005. Light
limitation creates patchy distribution
of an invasive grass in eastern
deciduous forests. Biological Invasions
7(3): 477-488.<o:p></o:p></p>
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at 6:27 AM, Marc Imlay <<a
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<p><b><span
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response for Tom and Jan?</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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PhD,
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Biological control working
Group </span></b><b><span
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Conservation
biologist, Park Ranger Office,
Non-native Invasive Plant
Control coordinator.</span></b><b><span
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</span></b><b><span
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To: Marc Imlay <<a
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Subject: Stilt grass question<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Marc, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Tom (Crone) and I were walking
around the back end of Greenbelt
Park today. He was checking on some
multiflora rose he'd cut earlier as
well stilt grass he cut. But I
noticed something I hadn't before.
There were large swathes of stilt
grass that had bare patches within
those areas. The common denominator
was Holly tree leaf shed. We started
searching elsewhere and found the
same correlation. The stilt grass
totally avoided wherever the dropped
holly leaves landed. Have you seen
this before, or know if there's a
specific chemical in the leaf that
inhibits or kills the grass? Or some
other symbiotic relationship
creating the inhibition? I'm really
curious to know. As we were driving
out of the park, I started looking
at the mountain laurel and what I
saw didn't seem to be surrounded by
stilt grass either.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Jan Steiner<o:p></o:p></p>
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