<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443562168757_10631">You are primarily seeing a mulch-effect against the stiltgrass under the heavy , coarse and slow to decompose holly and oak leaves.  <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443562168757_10725"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443562168757_10726">Patrick Kelly, Horticulturist</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443562168757_10728">Vegetation Control and Conservation Services<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443562168757_10720">PDK Horticultural, LLC</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443562168757_10721">Centreville, MD  21617<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443562168757_10368"><span></span></div>  <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:48 PM, Dewey <historictimekeepers@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div>  <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9876487723"><div>
    Thanks for the clarification Alyssa.  I came across the cite earlier
    in the year (via Cornell I think?) and I tend to store the bottom
    line.  Apologies.<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    I think your work has implications for trails that are in lightly
    infested areas here in the Mid Atlantic. Not sure anything can be
    done with the 500 acre monocultures that seem to be popping up
    though.<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    I think your work may help explain the recent explosion we have seen
    on our trails.  About 5 years ago we had a massive gypsy moth
    problem that killed the oaks on ridges (removing leaf much and acid)
    .  Since the tread is bare soil and now well exposed to sun, the
    stiltgrass just started running.<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    Could be it is important to get the trails mulched when such events
    occur.  Of course, who pays and gets it done is the $20,000
    question.<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    <pre class="yiv9876487723moz-signature">Regards,
 
Dewey Clark,

Club Naturalist
Potomac Appalachian Trail Club



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    <div class="yiv9876487723yqt7172853976" id="yiv9876487723yqt50295"><div class="yiv9876487723moz-cite-prefix">On 9/29/2015 4:35 PM, Reid, Alyssa
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        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hi
            Everyone,
            </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">  </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Just
            to clarify, the invasives work at Minnewaska was done by NY
            State Parks, not the DEC. We have found mulching with leaves
            to be effective at smothering stiltgrass, but this must be
            repeated annually. Mulching with wood chips is also
            effective, and lasts a little longer, but will again succumb
            to stiltgrass after 2-3 years if not repeated.
            </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">  </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">This
            year we also tried what we are calling the “Stiltgrass
            Shuffle,” where we preform heavy scuffing of the topsoil in
            order to remove the roots and plant. The better rooted
            natives can withstand this and remain. This was done in mid
            June and mid July here at Minnewaska in 10x10 plots, and
            those plots are still bare ground, despite being surrounded
            by stiltgrass on all sides.</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Several
            years ago my supervisor, Bob O’Brien, put some dry ice on
            the ground under a box and that killed off the stiltgrass
            for several years, meanwhile the asters also underneath the
            box recovered within a few weeks. </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">  </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Thanks
            everyone for fighting the good fight,
            </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Alyssa</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">  </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Alyssa Reid</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Invasive
            Species Project Coordinator</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">NYS Office
            of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">PO Box 893</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">New Paltz,
            NY 12561</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">845-256-0579</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Alyssa.Reid@parks.ny.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:Alyssa.Reid@parks.ny.gov"><span style="color:#4F6228;"></span></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9876487723moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:Alyssa.Reid@parks.ny.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:Alyssa.Reid@parks.ny.gov">Alyssa.Reid@parks.ny.gov</a></span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">  </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Follow the
            Nature Times blog for news about wildlife, projects, and
            events in our Parks!</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://nysparksnaturetimes.com/"><span style="color:blue;"></span></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9876487723moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://nysparksnaturetimes.com/">http://nysparksnaturetimes.com/</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span></div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">  </span></div> 
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          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
            <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">
                MAIPC [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9876487723moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org">mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dewey<br clear="none">
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2015 1:00 PM<br clear="none">
                <b>To:</b> MarneyB<br clear="none">
                <b>Cc:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9876487723moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:INVASIVES@listserv.umd.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:INVASIVES@listserv.umd.edu">INVASIVES@listserv.umd.edu</a>; 'MA-IPC MA-IPC'<br clear="none">
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] FW: Stilt grass question</span></div> 
          </div>
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        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">  </div> 
        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">Marney,<br clear="none">
          <br clear="none">
          You may also be getting the "mulch effect".  NYS DEC has done
          work at Minnewaska SP that suggests mulching stiltgrass along
          trails suppresses it.<br clear="none">
          <br clear="none">
          </div> 
        <pre>Regards,</pre> 
        <pre> </pre> 
        <pre>Dewey Clark,</pre> 
        <pre>g</pre> 
        <div>
          <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">On 9/28/2015 12:49 PM, MarneyB wrote:</div> 
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          <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Oak
              leaves, too. For the same reasons. I have kept much of my
              property free of stilt grass by mulching with the leaves
              from my pin oak (topped with pine needles so the leaves
              don’t blow away).</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Marney</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div> 
          <div>
            <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
              <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">
                  MAIPC [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org">mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ellis, Michael<br clear="none">
                  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2015 9:49 AM<br clear="none">
                  <b>To:</b> Earl "Bud" Reaves Jr.; tomnjan2<br clear="none">
                  <b>Cc:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:INVASIVES@listserv.umd.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:INVASIVES@listserv.umd.edu">INVASIVES@listserv.umd.edu</a>;
                  MA-IPC MA-IPC<br clear="none">
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] FW: Stilt grass question</span></div> 
            </div>
          </div>
          <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"> </div> 
          <div>
            <div>
              <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">I agree with Bud, and I was going to
                say Hollies and laurels/rhododendrons/azaleas generally
                prefer to grow in acidic soils.  You should also notice
                less stilt grass growing in pine forests and under large
                pines due to acidity of decomposing pine needles.</div> 
            </div>
            <div>
              <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"> </div> 
            </div>
            <div>
              <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">I'd further venture to say the rate
                of decomposition of the strong holly and laurel leaves
                may be playing a role. The dense lignin/cellulose
                content of holly leaves means it takes at least two
                years for the leaves to break down.  My thought is that
                these trees may be self mulching and stilt grass may
                have a hard time establishing in areas of dense, long
                lasting leaf litter.</div> 
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            <div>
              <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"> </div> 
              <div>
                <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">Michael Ellis<br clear="none">
                  Non-Native Invasive Plant Specialist<br clear="none">
                  Natural and Historical Resources Division, Park Ranger
                  Office<br clear="none">
                  The Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning
                  Commission<br clear="none">
                  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.pgparks.com/">www.pgparks.com</a> <br clear="none">
                  <br clear="none">
                  <a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">240-429-5042</a></div> 
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            <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">_____________________________<br clear="none">
              From: Earl "Bud" Reaves Jr. <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ipreav00@aacounty.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:ipreav00@aacounty.org">ipreav00@aacounty.org</a>><br clear="none">
              Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 9:30 AM<br clear="none">
              Subject: Re: [MAIPC] FW: Stilt grass question<br clear="none">
              To: tomnjan2 <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tomnjan2@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:tomnjan2@comcast.net">tomnjan2@comcast.net</a>><br clear="none">
              Cc: MA-IPC MA-IPC <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>>,
              <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:INVASIVES@listserv.umd.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:INVASIVES@listserv.umd.edu">INVASIVES@listserv.umd.edu</a>><br clear="none">
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                <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"><span style="">I think it may be a soil
                    condition, specifically a low pH from the
                    accumulation of leaf debris.  Stilt grass is known
                    to prefer more basic soils. 
                  </span></div> 
              </div>
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              <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal"> </div> 
              <div>
                <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:46 AM,
                  tomnjan2 <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tomnjan2@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:tomnjan2@comcast.net">tomnjan2@comcast.net</a>>
                  wrote:
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                    <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">There were areas that little
                      light was clearly at play, but a blanketed grass
                      area with a lone Holly still didn't have grass
                      below. Tree heights were mixed, and many were in
                      significant sunlight as well. This variety of
                      holly is more open than common garden type. </div> 
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                  <div>
                    <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">Jan <br clear="none">
                      <br clear="none">
                      Sent from my iPad </div> 
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                        <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br clear="none">
                          On Sep 28, 2015, at 8:03 AM, "Hughes, Jake"
                          < <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jake_hughes@nps.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:jake_hughes@nps.gov">
                            jake_hughes@nps.gov</a>> wrote: </div> 
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                            <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">My guess is that light
                              limitation is at work.  Cole and Weltzin
                              found the same pattern with paw paw
                              (Asimina triloba):
                              </div> 
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                            <div>
                              <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal" style="">Cole,
                                P.G. and J.F. Weltzin. 2005. Light
                                limitation creates patchy distribution
                                of an invasive grass in eastern
                                deciduous forests. Biological Invasions
                                7(3): 477-488.</div> 
                              <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal" style=""> </div> 
                              <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal" style=""> </div> 
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                              <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 28, 2015
                                at 6:27 AM, Marc Imlay <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ialm@erols.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ialm@erols.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9876487723moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:ialm@erols.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ialm@erols.com">ialm@erols.com</a>>
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                                  <div><b><span style="">Any
                                        response for Tom and Jan?</span></b></div> 
                                  <div class="yiv9876487723MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="color:blue;">Marc Imlay,
                                        PhD,
                                      </span></b><b><span style="">Chair,
                                        Biological control working
                                        Group </span></b><b><span style="color:#1F497D;">
                                      </span></b></div> 
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                                        Non-native Invasive Plant
                                        Control coordinator.</span></b><b><span style="color:blue;"><br clear="none">
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                                        Historical Resources Division<br clear="none">
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                                  <div>-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">
                                    From: tomnjan2 [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tomnjan2@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:tomnjan2@comcast.net"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9876487723moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:tomnjan2@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:tomnjan2@comcast.net">tomnjan2@comcast.net</a>]
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                                    Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015
                                    12:16 AM<br clear="none">
                                    To: Marc Imlay <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ialm@erols.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ialm@erols.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9876487723moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:ialm@erols.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ialm@erols.com">ialm@erols.com</a>><br clear="none">
                                    Subject: Stilt grass question</div> 
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                                  <div>Hi Marc, </div> 
                                  <div>Tom (Crone) and I were walking
                                    around the back end of Greenbelt
                                    Park today. He was checking on some
                                    multiflora rose he'd cut earlier as
                                    well stilt grass he cut. But I
                                    noticed something I hadn't before.
                                    There were large swathes of stilt
                                    grass that had bare patches within
                                    those areas. The common denominator
                                    was Holly tree leaf shed. We started
                                    searching elsewhere and found the
                                    same correlation. The stilt grass
                                    totally avoided wherever the dropped
                                    holly leaves landed. Have you seen
                                    this before, or know if there's a
                                    specific chemical in the leaf that
                                    inhibits or kills the grass? Or some
                                    other symbiotic relationship
                                    creating the inhibition? I'm really
                                    curious to know. As we were driving
                                    out of the park, I started looking
                                    at the mountain laurel and what I
                                    saw didn't seem to be surrounded by
                                    stilt grass either.</div> 
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                                  <div>thanks</div> 
                                  <div>Jan Steiner</div> 
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