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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks to those who replied about the possible <i>Scilla</i> species. I put the four replies into one email, deleting the photos.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fortunately Wikipedia has detailed descriptions of the characteristics of several species of <i>Scilla</i> and the closely related <i>Chionodoxa</i> genera. From this I’ll be able to identify the species at Tucquan Glen when I examine it closely. I’ll then post what I find out. Fortunately this beautiful little plant does not seem to spread very fast.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John Ambler<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Lancaster, PA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Patrick D. Kelly [mailto:pkelly.licensetokill@yahoo.com] <br>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:10 AM<br>Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Scilla siberica<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1490360930528_5706"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>It looks closer to Chionodoxa luciliae<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1490360930528_7355"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chionodoxa_luciliae">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chionodoxa_luciliae</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1490360930528_8953"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>...to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1490360930528_8954"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1490360930528_8956"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Patrick Kelly in Maryland<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>_____________________________________________</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Friday, March 24, 2017 9:03 AM, "Grund, Steve" <<a href="mailto:SGrund@paconserve.org">SGrund@paconserve.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv5638183724><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Possibly Scilla siberica, but I think it is S. bifolia. Definitely not Camassia. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From:</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Rohrbaugh, Andrew [mailto:anrohrbaug@pa.gov] <br>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 7:14 AM<br>Subject: RE: [MAIPC] Scilla siberica<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t have any experience with Siberian squill, but from an unscientific google search it definitely looks like that’s what it is. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The only native species I could think of that looks similar would be <i>Camassia scilloides</i>, but it has more of a raceme of flowers and narrower, lighter petals. Lancaster would also be well outside of its current range.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew Rohrbaugh</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> | Botanist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pennsylvania Department of Conservation & Natural Resources<br>Bureau of Forestry | Ecological Services Section<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>PO Box 8552, 400 Market St, Harrisburg, PA 17105-8552<br>Phone: 717.705.2823 | Fax: 717.772.0271<br><a href="mailto:anrohrbaug@pa.gov">anrohrbaug@pa.gov</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/">www.dcnr.state.pa.us</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From:</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Ellis, Michael [mailto:Michael.Ellis@pgparks.com] <br>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:22 PM<br>Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Scilla siberica<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi John and All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>iNaturalist is also a good place to find reports of many species, See <a href="http://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/204439-Othocallis-siberica">http://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/204439-Othocallis-siberica</a>, scroll down for map. <i>Scilla siberica</i> (syn. <i>Othocallis siberica</i>) appears to grow very well in the mid-atlantic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Are there any look-a-likes to <i>Scilla siberica/Othocallis siberica? </i><a href="http://www.inaturalist.org/observations/5375375">I am trying to ID a population as well</a>, could this be it? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope to hear more,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Michael Ellis</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Non-Native Invasive Plant Management Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Park Ranger Office, Natural and Historical Resources Division<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Department of Parks and Recreation, Prince George’s County<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in;background:white'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mobile: (240) 429-5042<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=yiv5638183724yqt30622><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> MAIPC [<a href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org">mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>] On Behalf Of John Ambler<br>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:57 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:jilswearingen@gmail.com">jilswearingen@gmail.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a><br>Subject: [MAIPC] Scilla siberica<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Jil and maipc list members,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I believe there is a population of squill, <i>Scilla siberica</i>, at Tucquan Glen in southern Lancaster Co., PA. I did a Google search on squill EDDMAPS and immediately got the distribution map for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>It is severely invasive in Minnesota: <a href="https://www.minnesotawildflowers.info/flower/siberian-squill" target="_blank">https://www.minnesotawildflowers.info/flower/siberian-squill</a> . At Tucquan Glen I have seen it for years, but I will start quantifying the population over time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This is on a rich, high, forested floodplain. Snowdrops started being invasive on the same floodplain, but it is easy to pull out clumps of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Photos below are from March 22, 2017. If anyone knows that this is not <i>Scilla siberica</i>, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>John Ambler<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Lancaster, PA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>