<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style='font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;'>Kathryn,<br><br>Re: Joe Pye weed having its own genus -<br>As I understand it, taxonomy is based on physical and, more recently, genetic characteristics. It's not based on chemical characteristics. <br><br>Re: whether Neo-nicotinoids cause invasiveness - <br>If a plant has invasive characteristics - basically, whether it can survive and dominate outside of its native range - then it can be considered invasive. <br><br>Re: whether Neo-nicotinoids change the DNA of a species -<br>Could you provide some references to support this? <br><br>Thank you. <br><br><div id=""><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma" dir="ltr"> <div><font size="1" face="Arial"><font size="2">Bill<br>~<br>Bill Shadel<br><font size="1">Ecologist, Assoc. Landscape Architect</font><br></font><br><img src="cid:0.28873816420.4504100293969623766.15cc2abda77__inline__img__src" align="left"><br><br><br><br></font><hr><font size="2" face="Arial">Natural Resource Management - Landscapes - Gardens<br><br></font><font size="2"><font face="Arial"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.SHADELenviro.com">www.SHADELenviro.com</a><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"> </font></div><font size="2"></font></div></div><br><div class="zmail_extra"><div id="1"><br>---- On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:27:31 -0400 <b>Kathryn Peterson-Lambert <triplam747@aol.com></b> wrote ---- <br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000FF;padding-left: 6px; margin: 0 0 0 5px"><div>Hi again, The chemicals that are present within the plant - make the plant. For ex: Joe Pye Weed now has its own Genus - why? Chemical make-up. Neonnicotinoid changes the basic chemistry of the plant - yes it does - change the plant chemistry because the chemical is implanted into the seed - this changes the DNA of the plant because it is put into the seed. The DNA package is then different - it has different coding because it has this seed that carries the chemical neonnicotinoids/related nicotine like products. The chemicals present within a plant make the plant. My point: Neonicotinoid has been linked by studies to show that it is contributing to bee population decline. Therefore, if the plant is a ‘debilitator’ to other plants because of its contribution to the decline of pollinators - can it be represented as an invasive? <br>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 4:37 PM, <a href="mailto:maipc-request@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">maipc-request@lists.maipc.org</a> wrote:<br>> <br>> Send MAIPC mailing list submissions to<br>> <a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a><br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org" target="_blank">http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> <a href="mailto:maipc-request@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">maipc-request@lists.maipc.org</a><br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> <a href="mailto:maipc-owner@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">maipc-owner@lists.maipc.org</a><br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of MAIPC digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Re: Fwd: harmful milkweed from Home Depot (Margaret Chatham)<br>> 2. Food for thought, and some interesting stats...<br>> (Kerrie L. Kyde -DNR-)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:13:34 -0400<br>> From: Margaret Chatham <<a href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net" target="_blank">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a>><br>> To: Kathryn Peterson-Lambert <<a href="mailto:triplam747@aol.com" target="_blank">triplam747@aol.com</a>>,<br>> <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Fwd: harmful milkweed from Home Depot<br>> Message-ID: <D<a href="mailto:56C9D7E.26957%margaret.chatham@verizon.net" target="_blank">56C9D7E.26957%margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> Dear Kathy,<br>> <br>> The plant DNA is unchanged. Once the neo-nics are worked out of the plant?s<br>> system (when? Next year?) they will be normal, native milkweed. It does not<br>> make the plant any more invasive than it would normally be (common milkweed<br>> can certainly be very aggressive ? I didn?t catch if they said which species<br>> of milkweed was being sold.)<br>> <br>> Yes, this practice is very bad & self-defeating as far as monarchs &<br>> pollinators are concerned, but it doesn?t change the plant itself.<br>> <br>> Margaret<br>> <br>> On 6/18/17 12:13 PM, "Kathryn Peterson-Lambert" <<a href="mailto:triplam747@aol.com" target="_blank">triplam747@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> Milkweed - neonic- Nicotine based plants. I am concerned that this plant<br>>> because although a native - it becomes invasive when it is treated in this<br>>> manner? This plant is no longer a native because it is carrying a different<br>>> DNA package - am I correct in assessing it that way? We define native plants<br>>> by their DNA package and their chemical composition don?t we? Or at least I do<br>>> when I am studying the historical and medicinal uses of plants. The chemical<br>>> changes the composition of the plant and it becomes a different plant because<br>>> of its new chemical composition? Any thoughts on this one? Thank you, Kathryn<br>>> Peterson Lambert<br>>> <br>>>> Begin forwarded message:<br>>>> <br>>>> From: "MJ Webb" <<a href="mailto:m.j.webb@verizon.net" target="_blank">m.j.webb@verizon.net</a>><br>>>> Subject: harmful milkweed from Home Depot<br>>>> Date: May 7, 2017 at 7:42:51 AM EDT<br>>>> To: <<a href="mailto:m.j.webb@verizon.net" target="_blank">m.j.webb@verizon.net</a>><br>>>> <br>>>> Beware the killer milkweed sold in stores. Why must we always mess with<br>>>> mother nature? it is all about the money, like the man said. Pollinators<br>>>> goodbye. <br>>>> <br>>>> From: Randie Trestrail <mailto:<a href="mailto:randiesue@gmail.com" target="_blank">randiesue@gmail.com</a>><br>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:13 AM<br>>>> To: Noel and Nancy Talcott <mailto:<a href="mailto:nancynoeltalcott@verizon.net" target="_blank">nancynoeltalcott@verizon.net</a>> ; Philip E.<br>>>> Prisco <mailto:<a href="mailto:priscop@verizon.net" target="_blank">priscop@verizon.net</a>> ; mailto:<a href="mailto:gwyn@jlab.org" target="_blank">gwyn@jlab.org</a> ; Carol Bartram<br>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bartram2@verizon.net" target="_blank">bartram2@verizon.net</a>> ; Dana Horton <mailto:<a href="mailto:hortondands@gmail.com" target="_blank">hortondands@gmail.com</a>><br>>>> ; mandy philbeck <mailto:<a href="mailto:mandy.canoodles@gmail.com" target="_blank">mandy.canoodles@gmail.com</a>> ; MJ Webb<br>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:m.j.webb@verizon.net" target="_blank">m.j.webb@verizon.net</a>> ; <a href="mailto:stu@gardenatriums.com" target="_blank">stu@gardenatriums.com</a><br>>>> Subject: Fwd: harmful milkweed from Home Depot<br>>>> <br>>>> Alert to plant and Bee people, please see below.<br>>>> <br>>>> Randie<br>>>> <br>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>>>> From: Susan Yager <<a href="mailto:soozigus@cox.net" target="_blank">soozigus@cox.net</a>><br>>>> Date: Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:02 PM<br>>>> Subject: harmful milkweed from Home Depot<br>>>> To: Sooz Yager <<a href="mailto:soozigus@cox.net" target="_blank">soozigus@cox.net</a>><br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> The email below was distributed to the members of the Virginia Native Plant<br>>>> Society local John Clayton Chapter. I would imagine the same situation may<br>>>> occur at any Home Depot across the country.<br>>>> <br>>>> There?s more to the neonic problem than the monarch caterpillars it may kill.<br>>>> Bees that take nectar from plants treated with neonics come to prefer the<br>>>> tainted flowers and seek out other neonic-treated flowers. It?s sort of like<br>>>> an addiction in that they keep going back for the poison, and then of course<br>>>> they take the nectar and pollen to the hive, affecting the rest of the hive?s<br>>>> population. These neonics are really, really bad stuff. Please spread the<br>>>> word on Home Depot (and surely other places) to other pollinator gardeners.<br>>>> <br>>>> Susie<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> From: Louise Menges [mailto:<a href="mailto:ltmeng@verizon.net" target="_blank">ltmeng@verizon.net</a>]<br>>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 1:31 PM<br>>>> To: Louise Menges<br>>>> Subject: Fwd: harmful milkweed plants being sold<br>>>> <br>>>>> <br>>>>> <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> Dear JCC members,<br>>>> Lucile Kossodo received this email written by a concerned gardener in<br>>>> Louisiana and asked me to pass it on--<br>>>> Louise<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>>> <br>>>>>> I purchased a Milkweed plant from Home Depot near my home and it wasn't<br>>>>>> until I got home that I noticed the little information stick hidden behind<br>>>>>> the identification information that the plant had been treated with<br>>>>>> systemic Neonicotinoids. The container boasted how desirable the plant is<br>>>>>> for birds and butterflies. Yesterday I went to a different Home Depot and<br>>>>>> they had just put out an entire rolling cart of these plants, maybe about<br>>>>>> 100, all poisoned. I contacted the store manager and told him that it is<br>>>>>> the same as giving poison candy to kids on Halloween. This is THE host<br>>>>>> plant for the Monarch. My club, Shady Oaks and our junior club, Little<br>>>>>> Shadows have worked so hard to establish a Monarch Waystation and to<br>>>>>> educate people on the decline of the Monarch. I hate to think of the<br>>>>>> millions of poison Milkweed being distributed nationwide by Home Depot.<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> The container says distributed by Home Depot, 2455 Paces Ferry Rd N. W.,<br>>>>>> Atlanta , Georgia.<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> I contacted the LSU Ag Agent for New Orleans, Dr Joe Willis. He said the<br>>>>>> Neonicotinoids will dilute as the plants grow but that only a very small<br>>>>>> amount will kill the larva of the Monarch. He is contacting the Master<br>>>>>> Gardeners of the area. I contacted the newsletters of the Jefferson<br>>>>>> Parish Council of Garden Clubs and the Federated Council of New Orleans<br>>>>>> Garden Clubs to ask that they send a notice to our local members. I<br>>>>>> contacted a local GOA club and the president said she would inform her<br>>>>>> members. I contacted our LGCF President and our Environmental School<br>>>>>> Chairman with the information.<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> We need a notice to Home Depot from a national source. I contacted the<br>>>>>> Monarch Watch organization ,www.MonarchWatch.org/ws<br>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.monarchwatch.org/ws" target="_blank">http://www.monarchwatch.org/ws</a>> <<a href="http://www.MonarchWatch.org/ws" target="_blank">http://www.MonarchWatch.org/ws</a>> at the<br>>>>>> University of Kansas (1200 Sunnyside Avenue, Lawrence, KS 66045) . The<br>>>>>> Little Shadows Junior Garden Club registered our Monarch Waystation with<br>>>>>> them. <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.monarchwatch.org/ws" target="_blank">http://www.monarchwatch.org/ws</a>> Monarch Watch : Monarch Waystation<br>>>>>> Program<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> www.monarchwatch.org <<a href="http://www.monarchwatch.org/" target="_blank">http://www.monarchwatch.org/</a>><br>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.monarchwatch.org" target="_blank">http://www.monarchwatch.org</a> <<a href="http://www.monarchwatch.org/" target="_blank">http://www.monarchwatch.org/</a>><br>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.monarchwatch.org" target="_blank">http://www.monarchwatch.org</a> > ><br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Monarch Watch is a cooperative network of students, teachers, volunteers<br>>>>>> and researchers dedicated to the study of the Monarch butterfly, Danaus<br>>>>>> plexippus and its ...<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Sandy we need a response from NGC to this issue. It needs to be sent soon<br>>>>>> as these plants are being sold now to well meaning people who are wanting<br>>>>>> to help the Monarch not kill them. I know you are very busy but I hate to<br>>>>>> think of the billions of plants being sold nationwide and how that will<br>>>>>> cancel the efforts of so many to stop the demise of the Monarch. Could you<br>>>>>> please help?<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Mary Ellen Miller<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Shady Oaks Garden Club , LGCF District II<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Moderator Little Shadows Junior Garden Club<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Immediate Past President Federated Council of New Orleans Garden Clubs<br>>>>>> Inc.<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:memiller306@yahoo.com" target="_blank">memiller306@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:memiller306@yahoo.com" target="_blank">memiller306@yahoo.com</a>><br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> (504)723-7796 <tel:(504)%20723-7796> <tel:%28504%29%20723-7796><br>>>>>> <br>>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a href="http://lists.maipc.org/pipermail/maipc-maipc.org/attachments/20170618/bf454452/attachment.html" target="_blank">http://lists.maipc.org/pipermail/maipc-maipc.org/attachments/20170618/bf454452/attachment.html</a>><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 08:57:13 -0400<br>> From: "Kerrie L. 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