<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">It is a double edged sword and I adit to being conflicted on the subject.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jonathan</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Steve Young <<a href="mailto:sly27@cornell.edu" class="">sly27@cornell.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Has anyone thought this all the way through? What happens when the target invasive species is eliminated? Usually, a new one takes its place. So, another gene drive is released? We know what has happened with kudzu and other plants that were introduced for their purported *benefits*.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Here is another article on the same topic specific to agricultural pest control that advocates for more discussion and guidelines before we charge full force ahead:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.15252/embr.201744205/full" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.15252/embr.201744205/full</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">I did think the quote “if we [conservationists] don’t do so [engage] it will be at our peril” from Mr. Conniff’s piece was pretty key.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Steve<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">MAIPC <<a href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org" class="">maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>> on behalf of Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com" class="">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 4:24 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jonathan Duffy <<a href="mailto:jrd@kinlochfarm.com" class="">jrd@kinlochfarm.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>MAIPSC listserv <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" class="">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [MAIPC] Yale E360 - Should Genetic Engineering Be Used as a Tool for Conservation?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">I thought it was pretty good. I think our field has a lot of people with expertise that could be useful in working on safe implementation, specifically those well-rehearsed in current bio-control, which has many of the same issues.<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">I don't think anyone should try these methods in a no-kill scenario. One method is rarely enough. All those Australian bunnies got the last laugh.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Jonathan Duffy <<a href="mailto:jrd@kinlochfarm.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jrd@kinlochfarm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Food for thought…..<span style="font-family: PMingLiU;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></span>Should Genetic Engineering Be Used as a Tool for Conservation?<span style="font-family: PMingLiU;" class=""><br class=""></span>By Richard Conniff<span style="font-family: PMingLiU;" class=""><br class=""></span><a href="http://e360.yale.edu/features/should-new-genetic-engineering-be-used-as-a-conservation-tool" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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