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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">Hi Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">This is the first time we’ve used
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">Ornamec – Fluzifop-P-butyl 1.70% -
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">for <i>Microstegium</i>. </span>
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">A respirator is not listed as required PPE on the label, nor are respiratory problems indicated with its use.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">Ornamec 170 Grass Herbicide:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif"><a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjznMWY6dPkAhXHm-AKHdOeDc04ChAWMAZ6BAgFEAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcru66.cahe.wsu.edu%2F~picol%2Fpdf%2FWA%2F21279.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3WzO4Fs4-yaEt5CZMM803c">http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjznMWY6dPkAhXHm-AKHdOeDc04ChAWMAZ6BAgFEAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcru66.cahe.wsu.edu%2F~picol%2Fpdf%2FWA%2F21279.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3WzO4Fs4-yaEt5CZMM803c</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">Because <i>Microstegium vimineum</i> is an annual grass, less product is needed vs. perennial grasses.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">Ornamec is evidently safer to use than Sethoxydim – trade names: Some trade names include Aljaden, Alloxol S, BAS 9052, Checkmate, Expand, Fervinal, Grasidim, Nabu, NP-55, Poast, Tritex-Extra, and
Vantage – but have attached Mark Frey’s paper on the use of Sethoxydim for conceptual purposes. Ornamec has been around a long time and is a landscaper’s staple. It should be just as effective against
<i>Microstegium</i>, and probably <i>Oplismenus</i>, as Sethoxydim and others, but without the respiratory threats.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">Ornamec is about twice the cost of Vantage, however.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">I agree with Johnny that a weak 0.5% solution of surfactantless glyphosate (i.e., Rodeo) is probably just as good, in the balance, for
<i>Microstegium</i> as grass-specific herbicides. Certainly not the case with Wavyleaf though!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">Will let everyone know how Ornamec performed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif;color:#10253F">All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif;color:#10253F">___________________________<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif;color:#10253F">Rod Simmons<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif;color:#10253F">Natural Resources Division<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif;color:#10253F">Department of Recreation, Parks & Cultural Activities<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif;color:#10253F">City of Alexandria, Virginia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif;color:#10253F">2900-A Business Center Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif;color:#10253F">Alexandria, VA 22314<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif;color:#10253F">office phone: 703.746.4651<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif;color:#10253F">mobile phone: 703.930.8972<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",serif"> Jim Hurley <jehurley@mindspring.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 22, 2019 6:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rod Simmons <Rod.Simmons@alexandriava.gov><br>
<b>Cc:</b> lee@ipc.us.com; Eileen Grant <granfling@aol.com>; Susan Gitlin <susan.mclaughlin@alumni.stanford.edu>; alex@ipc.us.com; MAIPC Listserve <maipc@lists.maipc.org>; jimclark5@comcast.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Removing stiltgrass after it has gone to seed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I've been using Sethoxydim in POAST, as well as Clethodim 2E. Have you found better performance with Ornamec and fluazipop products? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: Richard Gardner <br>
Sent: Sep 22, 2019 7:15 AM <br>
To: Diana Carter , Rod Simmons <br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:lee@ipc.us.com">lee@ipc.us.com</a>" , Eileen Grant , Susan Gitlin , "<a href="mailto:alex@ipc.us.com">alex@ipc.us.com</a>" , MAIPC Listserve , "<a href="mailto:jimclark5@comcast.net">jimclark5@comcast.net</a>"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">> On Sep 21, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Diana Carter <<a href="mailto:dcarter1776@yahoo.com" target="_blank">dcarter1776@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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seed production pending based on what I’m seeing. So my sense is to get it out before the whole load drops. On bad infestations I have rolled it up to contain the seeds within the stalks. On milder infestations I have used a tub type container on its side
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doing at this time of the year. I suppose spraying may be an option but I never use herbicides. I have heard that glyphosate dries out cornstalks late in the season.
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