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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Yes, pull out the small ones. There are places in MG county with dozens at tree size<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Richard Gardner <rtgardner3@yahoo.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 20, 2019 7:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Stephen Hiltner' <stevehiltner@gmail.com>; 'Nathan Hartshorne' <nshartshorne@gmail.com>; Marc Imlay <ialm@erols.com><br><b>Cc:</b> 'MAIPC Listserve' <maipc@lists.maipc.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Non-chemical Viburnum control<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I found that, in our yard at least, the bush honeysuckles pulled out relatively easily by hand. The problem we had afterwards is that other plants such as oriental bittersweet and multiflora rose replaced the bush honeysuckles.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>My suggestion is to start with a "Pullerbear", then go to chemicals if absolutely necessary. Winter is a good time to do this if the ground is not frozen at the time. Also I suggest goats for vegetation, guinea fowl (and opossums) for ticks and other arthropods.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> Richard Gardner<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydp70116dc7yahoo_quoted_2211327709"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Sunday, October 20, 2019, 12:44:02 PM EDT, Marc Imlay <<a href="mailto:ialm@erols.com">ialm@erols.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653><div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Agreed! In Montgomery County thousands of citizens are getting Lyme disease from deer ticks because patches of Asiatic Bush Honeysuckle increases the risk by a factor of ten. Cut stump is needed with herbicide to effectively remove it. Marc Imlay</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653yqt24499><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> MAIPC <<a href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org">maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Hiltner<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> MAIPC Listserve (<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>) <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Non-chemical Viburnum control<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>I encourage people to think of herbicides, when used in highly targeted and minimalist treatments like stump treatments, as a form of western medicine for nature. We don't deprive doctors and ourselves of the use of manufactured medicines, all of which have some level of toxicity. Why, then, are we depriving land managers of similar options for the healing of nature? It's unfair to us, and yet another example of how people adopt attitudes that fill their need to feel good about themselves, rather than figuring out what's best for nature. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>The NY Times feeds this sort of thinking with articles like <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/dining/drinks/climate-change-regenerative-agriculture-wine.html#commentsContainer&permid=103173259:103173259" target="_blank">this one</a>, a couple days ago, which leads with a wine grower denying the reality of invasive species. NY Times columnist Margaret Renkl has also characterized all pesticides as poisons. Oftentimes, these blanket condemnations come from the same people who claim all plants are good. It's lazy thinking, usually by people who don't actually have to do the work, and represents a failure to make important distinctions. Few people would take seriously the contention that all bacteria are good, and that we shouldn't use antibiotics because they are overused in agriculture. What's actually being said is that people matter, and nature really doesn't. And land managers are left holding the bag. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><a href="https://www.newscompanion.com/search?q=invasive" target="_blank">https://www.newscompanion.com/search?q=invasive</a> (writings about invasive species denial)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:07 PM Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com" target="_blank">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>That's good to know. There must be ways that are still avoiding pesticides, but less obtrusive and easier to manage than tarps. Maybe something thick and environmentally safe painted on (if allowed by herbicide regulations), or string/stakes and a biodegradable plastic.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 6:10 PM Mark Frey <<a href="mailto:runcator@gmail.com" target="_blank">runcator@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>It resprouts well from the stump when cut and it does, in general, resprout some from roots. My observations though suggest that no new root sprouts emerged from tarped or cut plants. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:33 PM Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com" target="_blank">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Without a tarp, would this plant typically resprout from the stump or in a bushy manner with shoots at some distance away, and if so, up to how far away?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Mark Frey <<a href="mailto:runcator@gmail.com" target="_blank">runcator@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>All<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Over the last couple of years I have been volunteering for Montgomery County, MD as a Weed Warrior. As part of that work I have been faced with a stand of Viburnum and I have been restricted from using chemicals. I tested a few treatments and learned that tarping is very effective and gained some other insights. It isn't really a robust study but the results are nonetheless conclusive and directly pertinent to land managers. I'm attaching it here in the hopes that others managing woody plants in the mid Atlantic will consider tarping when chemical control is not an option.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>MAIPC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MAIPC@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">MAIPC@lists.maipc.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org" target="_blank">http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p class=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>MAIPC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MAIPC@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">MAIPC@lists.maipc.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org" target="_blank">http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div><div id=ydp70116dc7yiv1072072653DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 style='width:.4791in;height:.302in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#41424E'>Virus-free. <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avast.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div></div></div><div id=ydp70116dc7yqt96764><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>MAIPC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MAIPC@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank">MAIPC@lists.maipc.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org" target="_blank">http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>