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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">There are various regulations depending on the public land ownership. For example, Forest Service lands are open for collection, whereas National and State Parks (at least in NC) require permits.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Johnny Randall <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If you live adjacent to a natural area of a park an you transfer a few specimens of a relatively abundant native species to your property, you are expanding the park! This carefully
done approach was accepted at some of the parks I have been involved with. And many neighbors joined in. Marc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">What are the rules around collecting seeds off of public lands? Is it forbidden or ok? If forbidden, could it be changed?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Some of us have lands with an abundance of native plants with an abundance of seeds this time of year. If there are people looking to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:28:55 -0400<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">So now that we're well into fall, consider buying seeds online and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">> We all have friends who would be interested in a native garden, but the effort and cost feel prohibitive, even though they really aren't. Last year, I decided
to start experimenting with growing the plants myself and giving them away, even planting them at friends'. Obviously we don't want to take business away from the local native nurseries, but this creates a push that many people need. And once they see the
bees going nuts over bee balm, goldenrod, etc. they can really get into it and then support the native nurseries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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so it's not difficult to get started with a wide variety. Just make sure that the native seeds you purchase are native to your region, some local regions can be very specific.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Good point. There's always a bit of controversy about that. I have seen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">people say never to collect because then there are fewer seeds in those<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">local genetics. Another issue is that it is very common that the places we<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">done both methods, but I do know that the "wild" seeds I have collected<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">> > We all have friends who would be interested in a native garden, but the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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often be incremental. Avoiding planting invasive species can be an early step. Avoiding using non-native species in general can be another step. If we fail to plant native species because we don't have local seeds, the invasive species won't wait for us to
find the perfect seed. Tree and park commissions will still be required to plant something, regardless of species or provenance. I always encourage them to do the best they can, and I try to help them understand the benefits of each small step they can make.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From: MAIPC <<a href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org">maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>> on behalf of Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Good point. There's always a bit of controversy about that. I have seen people say never to collect because then there are fewer seeds in those wild areas, and
I've seen people say to collect the local seeds so you have local genetics. Another issue is that it is very common that the places we know to collect seeds (aside from very common plants like goldenrod) are derived from bought seeds, so I'm not sure there's
much difference. I have done both methods, but I do know that the "wild" seeds I have collected were from plants seeded by someone else with the exception of milkweed, goldenrod, and some trees.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:38 AM MARGARET L CHATHAM <<a href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a>>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Lovely idea ? but where did those boughten seed evolve? How much better to collect locally native seed for this practice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">> On Oct 11, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">> We all have friends who would be interested in a native garden, but the effort and cost feel prohibitive, even though they really aren't. Last year, I decided
to start experimenting with growing the plants myself and giving them away, even planting them at friends'. Obviously we don't want to take business away from the local native nurseries, but this creates a push that many people need. And once they see the
bees going nuts over bee balm, goldenrod, etc. they can really get into it and then support the native nurseries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">> So now that we're well into fall, consider buying seeds online and preparing for next spring. Packets can have a couple hundred seeds and cost a couple dollars,
so it's not difficult to get started with a wide variety. Just make sure that the native seeds you purchase are native to your region, some local regions can be very specific.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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