<div style="color:black;font: 10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">What are the rules around collecting seeds off of public lands? Is it forbidden or ok? If forbidden, could it be changed?
<div>Some of us have lands with an abundance of native plants with an abundance of seeds this time of year. If there are people looking to forage for native seeds, perhaps we could set up a list of sources that others could explore for seeds?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">We all have friends who would be interested in a native garden, but the<br>
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<div dir="ltr">giving them away, even planting them at friends'. Obviously we don't want<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So now that we're well into fall, consider buying seeds online and<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Lovely idea ? but where did those boughten seed evolve? How much better to collect locally native seed for this practice.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Good point. There's always a bit of controversy about that. I have seen<br>
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<div dir="ltr">people say never to collect because then there are fewer seeds in those<br>
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<div dir="ltr">done both methods, but I do know that the "wild" seeds I have collected<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Lovely idea ? but where did those boughten seed evolve? How much better to<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> > On Oct 11, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Nathan Hartshorne <<a ymailto="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com" href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">> year, I decided to start experimenting with growing the plants myself and<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> giving them away, even planting them at friends'. Obviously we don't want<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> to take business away from the local native nurseries, but this creates a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> push that many people need. And once they see the bees going nuts over bee<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> balm, goldenrod, etc. they can really get into it and then support the<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> preparing for next spring. Packets can have a couple hundred seeds and<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> cost a couple dollars, so it's not difficult to get started with a wide<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> variety. Just make sure that the native seeds you purchase are native to<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Good conversation here. I think the age old advice of not letting perfect ion be the enemy of the good is very relevant here.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Many people view directly interacting with the natural world around them as complicated and daunting. Fostering awareness and appreciation of native plants will most often be incremental. Avoiding planting invasive species can be an early step. Avoiding using non-native species in general can be another step. If we fail to plant native species because we don't have local seeds, the invasive species won't wait for us to find the perfect seed. Tree and park commissions will still be required to plant something, regardless of species or provenance. I always encourage them to do the best they can, and I try to help them understand the benefits of each small step they can make.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Good point. There's always a bit of controversy about that. I have seen people say never to collect because then there are fewer seeds in those wild areas, and I've seen people say to collect the local seeds so you have local genetics. Another issue is that it is very common that the places we know to collect seeds (aside from very common plants like goldenrod) are derived from bought seeds, so I'm not sure there's much difference. I have done both methods, but I do know that the "wild" seeds I have collected were from plants seeded by someone else with the exception of milkweed, goldenrod, and some trees.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:38 AM MARGARET L CHATHAM <<a ymailto="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net" href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net" href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> We all have friends who would be interested in a native garden, but the effort and cost feel prohibitive, even though they really aren't. Last year, I decided to start experimenting with growing the plants myself and giving them away, even planting them at friends'. Obviously we don't want to take business away from the local native nurseries, but this creates a push that many people need. And once they see the bees going nuts over bee balm, goldenrod, etc. they can really get into it and then support the native nurseries.<br>
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