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I also apologize for my late response, but collecting seed or plant material is not allowed on Maryland National Capital Park and Planning property either without a letter of permission. The Natural Resource Management Group did occasionally issue such letters,

 but it was usually for a special study/institution/museum as Andrew stated.</div>

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Apologies for being late to the conversation.  It is illegal to collect seeds on National Park Service property without prior authorization through a Scientific Research and Collection Permit.  The reason being that the Federal government retains ownership

 of anything collected from a national park.  Generally, specimen collection is reserved for institutions and museums because the NPS is required to catalog and track condition of any collected specimen because of the retained ownership.  We do collect and

 plant local seed all within the park and work with others to propagate collected seed for outplanting back into the park.</div>

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The Pennsylvania Bureau of Forestry requires folks to coordinate with us for seed collection (policy on it depends on the rarity of the species, but generally requires some level of permitting or authorization letter).</p>

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<b>From:</b> MAIPC [mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall, Johnny<br>

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<span style="color:black">There are various regulations depending on the public land ownership. For example, Forest Service lands are open for collection, whereas National and State Parks (at least in NC) require permits.

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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marc Imlay<br>

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<span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If you live adjacent to a natural area of a park an you transfer a few specimens of a relatively abundant native species to your property, you are expanding the park! This carefully done approach

 was accepted at some of the parks I have been  involved with. And many neighbors joined in. Marc</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">What are the rules around collecting seeds off of public lands?  Is it forbidden or ok?  If forbidden, could it be changed?

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Some of us have lands with an abundance of native plants with an abundance of seeds this time of year.  If there are people looking to forage for native seeds, perhaps we could set up a

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:28:55 -0400</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">From: Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Subject: [MAIPC] Native Garden Friend Challenge</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">We all have friends who would be interested in a native garden, but the</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">effort and cost feel prohibitive, even though they really aren't.  Last</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">year, I decided to start experimenting with growing the plants myself and</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">giving them away, even planting them at friends'.  Obviously we don't want</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">to take business away from the local native nurseries, but this creates a</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">push that many people need.  And once they see the bees going nuts over bee</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">balm, goldenrod, etc. they can really get into it and then support the</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">native nurseries.</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">So now that we're well into fall, consider buying seeds online and</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">preparing for next spring.  Packets can have a couple hundred seeds and</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">cost a couple dollars, so it's not difficult to get started with a wide</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">variety.  Just make sure that the native seeds you purchase are native to</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">your region, some local regions can be very specific.</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:38:01 -0400</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">From: MARGARET L CHATHAM <<a href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a>></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">To: Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Cc: "MAIPC Listserve (<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>)" <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Lovely idea ? but where did those boughten seed evolve? How much better to collect locally native seed for this practice.</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> On Oct 11, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> We all have friends who would be interested in a native garden, but the effort and cost feel prohibitive, even though they really aren't.  Last year, I decided to start experimenting

 with growing the plants myself and giving them away, even planting them at friends'.  Obviously we don't want to take business away from the local native nurseries, but this creates a push that many people need.  And once they see the bees going nuts over

 bee balm, goldenrod, etc. they can really get into it and then support the native nurseries.</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> So now that we're well into fall, consider buying seeds online and preparing for next spring.  Packets can have a couple hundred seeds and cost a couple dollars, so it's not difficult

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">From: Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">To: MARGARET L CHATHAM <<a href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a>></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Native Garden Friend Challenge</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Good point.  There's always a bit of controversy about that.  I have seen</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">people say never to collect because then there are fewer seeds in those</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">wild areas, and I've seen people say to collect the local seeds so you have</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">local genetics.  Another issue is that it is very common that the places we</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">know to collect seeds (aside from very common plants like goldenrod) are</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">derived from bought seeds, so I'm not sure there's much difference.  I have</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">done both methods, but I do know that the "wild" seeds I have collected</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">were from plants seeded by someone else with the exception of milkweed,</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:38 AM MARGARET L CHATHAM <</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> Lovely idea ? but where did those boughten seed evolve? How much better to</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> collect locally native seed for this practice.</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> > On Oct 11, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> > We all have friends who would be interested in a native garden, but the</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> effort and cost feel prohibitive, even though they really aren't.  Last</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> year, I decided to start experimenting with growing the plants myself and</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> giving them away, even planting them at friends'.  Obviously we don't want</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> to take business away from the local native nurseries, but this creates a</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> push that many people need.  And once they see the bees going nuts over bee</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> balm, goldenrod, etc. they can really get into it and then support the</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> > So now that we're well into fall, consider buying seeds online and</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> preparing for next spring.  Packets can have a couple hundred seeds and</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> cost a couple dollars, so it's not difficult to get started with a wide</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> variety.  Just make sure that the native seeds you purchase are native to</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">To: "MAIPC Listserve (<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>)" <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Native Garden Friend Challenge</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Good conversation here. I think the age old advice of not letting perfect ion be the enemy of the good is very relevant here.</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Many people view directly interacting with the natural world around them as complicated and daunting. Fostering awareness and appreciation of native plants will most often be incremental.

 Avoiding planting invasive species can be an early step. Avoiding using non-native species in general can be another step. If we fail to plant native species because we don't have local seeds, the invasive species won't wait for us to find the perfect seed.

 Tree and park commissions will still be required to plant something, regardless of species or provenance. I always encourage them to do the best they can, and I try to help them understand the benefits of each small step they can make.</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Juniata College</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">From: MAIPC <<a href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org">maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>> on behalf of Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">To: MARGARET L CHATHAM <<a href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a>></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Native Garden Friend Challenge</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Good point.  There's always a bit of controversy about that.  I have seen people say never to collect because then there are fewer seeds in those wild areas, and I've seen people say to

 collect the local seeds so you have local genetics.  Another issue is that it is very common that the places we know to collect seeds (aside from very common plants like goldenrod) are derived from bought seeds, so I'm not sure there's much difference.  I

 have done both methods, but I do know that the "wild" seeds I have collected were from plants seeded by someone else with the exception of milkweed, goldenrod, and some trees.</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:38 AM MARGARET L CHATHAM <<a href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a>>>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Lovely idea ? but where did those boughten seed evolve? How much better to collect locally native seed for this practice.</span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">> On Oct 11, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>>>

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