<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Considering the genetic variation I see in the ailanthus trees in DC, I'd say this has too many of the key features to be anything else. Dirr allows petioles to range from 1/4 - 3/4". Some of the leaves even have the characteristic 'thumb".<div><br></div><div>When ever identifying woody plants, buds will always be a more accurate feature than leaves.<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>paqinc@aol.com<br><b>To: </b>"Tim Maywalt" <temaywalt@gmail.com>, "Nathan Hartshorne" <nshartshorne@gmail.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"MAIPC Listserve" <maipc@lists.maipc.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, July 5, 2021 5:43:12 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [MAIPC] Ailanthus Herbivory<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Aralia has a terminal leaf at the end of the compound frond; the leaf in her photo did not. The photo also shows fairly long petioles which rules out a lot of other compound leaved species…this one has me stumped. Is it a tree or a shrub?</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:mediumblue;background:white">Pat Quigley </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">1080 Quarry Hall Road</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Norristown, PA 19403</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">office 610-584-1829</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">cell 215-990-7279</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> MAIPC <maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Maywalt<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 5, 2021 4:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> MAIPC Listserve (maipc@lists.maipc.org) <maipc@lists.maipc.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Ailanthus Herbivory</p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Devil's walking stick (<i>Aralia spinosa).</i></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 4:31 PM Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com" target="_blank">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal">What looks like tree of heaven, has similar bark, and is tree-sized? I will do some comparative looking. I only know the various sumacs and black walnut.</p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 10:40 AM Richard Gardner <<a href="mailto:rtgardner3@yahoo.com" target="_blank">rtgardner3@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">That is not Ailanthus because the compound leaf is not odd pinnate, the notches are wrong and it is too rough.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> </span></p></div></div><div id="gmail-m_7048136231836394012gmail-m_3484268182644867018ydpe9d2ee1yahoo_quoted_5787855350"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A">On Monday, July 5, 2021, 01:06:57 PM EDT, Nathan Hartshorne <<a href="mailto:nshartshorne@gmail.com" target="_blank">nshartshorne@gmail.com</a>> wrote: </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A"> </span></p></div><div><div id="gmail-m_7048136231836394012gmail-m_3484268182644867018ydpe9d2ee1yiv0203793969"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A">The most likely one seemed to be the mite, except it's also called "leaf curl mite" not "patterned hole mite" so I'm still at a loss as to what could do such a distinctive look on all the leaves. Obviously it's not deer, and the moths seemed wrong too based on what little imagery I could find and general knowledge of feeding behavior (which I realize there must be more exceptions than moths I know)</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A"> </span></p><div id="gmail-m_7048136231836394012gmail-m_3484268182644867018ydpe9d2ee1yiv0203793969yqt28844"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A">On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 9:19 AM Jackson, David Robert <<a href="mailto:drj11@psu.edu" target="_blank">drj11@psu.edu</a>> wrote:</span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A">Could be ailanthus webworm.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ailanthus_webworm" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ailanthus_webworm</a> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">Dave</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#323E4F"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#323E4F">David R. 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