Last week I attended a workshop on this topic, held by the Pennsylvania Prescribed Fire Council and led by the Pennsylvania Game Commission at SGL #145. They found in herbaceous openings in which they had previously seeded with native wildflower/forb mixes, it worked well to burn the stiltgrass thatch off in early spring and follow with Volunteer grass-selective herbicide two weeks after stiltgrass seeds germinated post-burn. Competition by native forbs after burn and herbicide was key in continued control of stiltgrass.<div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1634563910068"><br></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1634563910383">Given, Deborah's comment about spring burns encouraging stiltgrass growth, perhaps this tactic allows for better control with herbicide if more seeds have germinated post-burn.</div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1634564377210"><br></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1634564377354">If anyone would like to talk with the PGC managers employing this technique, Jenny Case (jcase@tnc.org) at TNC can probably give you their contact info. </div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1634564440178"><br></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1634564000713"><br></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1634564000817"> <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 20px 0;"> <div style="font-family:Roboto, sans-serif; color:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:36 AM, Deborah Landau</div><div><dlandau@TNC.ORG> wrote:</div> </div> <div style="padding: 10px 0 0 20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #6D00F6;"> <div id="yiv9471949704">
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<p class="yiv9471949704MsoNormal">In terms of RX fire, my experience has been that spring burns encourage stiltgrass growth. An early fall burn can knock it back, if it’s timed just right (i.e., if it’s still in seed), but it’s often too difficult to burn annually, thus
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<p class="yiv9471949704MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Good Morning, everyone. Another few questions concerning stiltgrass. Does anyone know how long after flowering that viable seed is produced? And, has anyone ever tried prescribed fire
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<p class="yiv9471949704MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I am having good succes and it is hard to hear the number of people who struggle with stitlgrass when I have more problems with mile-a-minute and garlic mustard. I am wondering
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<p class="yiv9471949704MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Similar to Marc’s comment, I often need about 3 years before I feel that I am winning the battle, but if I count the bags being removed it is obvious that they are decreasing. </span></p>
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<p class="yiv9471949704MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">The park I am currently working in is a 150 acre park with both wooded, dry uplands with minimal stiltgrass and lowland flood zones that are densely covered. We surround
a couple of athletic fields and an elementary school. The park is into a community and there are several drainage streams from the community’s roadways. We have a fairly acidic, clay based soil and a healthy forrest with a decent amount of shade in many areas.
We also have a large and very diverse native seed load so planting is often not required. </span></p>
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<p class="yiv9471949704MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">The program I use is a 2-3 year mass removal where I do not care about getting every single plant, instead we focus on dropping the seed low in the most efficient way possible.
After 2-3 years we can start to pick spots where we can clear the stiltgrass and by year 6-7 we are removing only a scattered amount if that. Recently I started to use a bow rake which appears to remove 95% of plants if not more and has increased our success
rate. The rakes seem to work best if you wait until mid to late August to use and they have minimal effect on most native plants.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv9471949704MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I also try to let an area rest in between removal time periods - removing some of the plants and then going back 6-12 months later to do more removal. This seems to allow
our native plants more time to grow and reproduce. </span></p>
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<p class="yiv9471949704MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Of course, I am making a lot of assumptions in all of this. </span></p>
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<p class="yiv9471949704MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Thanks for your guidance. </span></p>
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<p class="yiv9471949704xairmailon"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">On October 16, 2021 at 10:11:09 PM, Randall, Johnny (<a ymailto="mailto:jrandall@email.unc.edu" href="mailto:jrandall@email.unc.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">jrandall@email.unc.edu</a>) wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="yiv9471949704xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Heidi and others. I think there are too many variables to consider on stiltgrass invasion and persistence to answer your questions. Removal in areas where it is infrequently
(re)introduced (outside of floodways) is a viable solution. It’s a C-4 grass which gives it the physiological/anatomical potential to persist in uplands unless it is removed before going to seed.
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<p class="yiv9471949704xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Before stiltgrass has moved in too fast into my park from elsewhere, I found if I removed it all for 3 years, by the 4<sup>th</sup> year I was finally happy. Marc</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 16, 2021 2:24 PM<br>
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<p class="yiv9471949704xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I know there have been several discussions about stiltgrass and I apologize if I have missed some information. But, I am trying to figure out the difference between my volunteer
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<p class="yiv9471949704xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Besides shade, soil characteristics (pH, moisture, etc. ), and deer browsing has anyone looked into the habitat restoration plan or the native seed bank to see if there
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