<html><head></head><body>Interesting. I did find that the mile-a-minute had an increase growth, but that was it. We also had an increase in native asters and goldenrods that seeded from other plants in the area. It could be that our open spaces are smaller then most areas and that we have a good native seed bank. <div><br></div><div>Here is a bow rake:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img class="imgAttach" src="cid:C6EAA533-090F-495D-A74E-AA23B3D78B03" alt=""></div><div> <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div>-- <br>Heidi</div></div> <p class="gmail_quote" style="color:#000">On October 18, 2021 at 8:46:15 AM, Kathleen Michels (<a href="mailto:michelskm2016@gmail.com">michelskm2016@gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote"><span><div><div></div><div>
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<div>We've had the most success when we encourage assertive deer
resistant natives to move in after we remove stiltgrass and
other similar NNIs. Otherwise other invasives just move in.
It took me a decade of failed efforts with NNIs just moving in to
any available opened space to realize this and now we have
much more native coverage<br></div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">What is a bow
rake?</span><br></div>
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<div dir="auto">Kathy </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 11:00 PM
Heidi Allen <<a href="mailto:rundvm@gmail.com">rundvm@gmail.com</a>>
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px">I am having
good succes and it is hard to hear the number of people who
struggle with stitlgrass when I have more problems with
mile-a-minute and garlic mustard. I am wondering if it is me
or the park. Or maybe both. </div>
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px">Similar to
Marc’s comment, I often need about 3 years before I feel that I am
winning the battle, but if I count the bags being removed it is
obvious that they are decreasing. </div>
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px">The park I
am currently working in is a 150 acre park with both wooded, dry
uplands with minimal stiltgrass and lowland flood zones that are
densely covered. We surround a couple of athletic fields and an
elementary school. The park is into a community and there are
several drainage streams from the community’s roadways. We have a
fairly acidic, clay based soil and a healthy forrest with a decent
amount of shade in many areas. We also have a large and very
diverse native seed load so planting is often not
required. </div>
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px">The program
I use is a 2-3 year mass removal where I do not care about getting
every single plant, instead we focus on dropping the seed low in
the most efficient way possible. After 2-3 years we can start to
pick spots where we can clear the stiltgrass and by year 6-7
we are removing only a scattered amount if that. Recently I started
to use a bow rake which appears to remove 95% of plants if not more
and has increased our success rate. The rakes seem to work best if
you wait until mid to late August to use and they have minimal
effect on most native plants.</div>
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px">I also try
to let an area rest in between removal time periods - removing some
of the plants and then going back 6-12 months later to do more
removal. This seems to allow our native plants more time to grow
and reproduce. </div>
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px">Of course,
I am making a lot of assumptions in all of this. </div>
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px">Thanks for
your guidance. </div>
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<div>-- <br>
Heidi</div>
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<p>On October 16, 2021 at 10:11:09 PM, Randall, Johnny (<a href="mailto:jrandall@email.unc.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jrandall@email.unc.edu</a>) wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Heidi and others. I think there are too
many variables to consider on stiltgrass invasion and persistence
to answer your questions. Removal in areas where it is infrequently
(re)introduced (outside of floodways) is a viable solution. It’s a
C-4 grass which gives it the physiological/anatomical potential to
persist in uplands unless it is removed before going to
seed.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Johnny Randall</span></p>
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Of</b> Marc Imlay<br>
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<b>To:</b> 'Heidi Allen' <<a href="mailto:rundvm@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rundvm@gmail.com</a>>; 'MAIPC
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Before
stiltgrass has moved in too fast into my park from elsewhere, I
found if I removed it all for 3 years, by the 4<sup>th</sup> year I
was finally happy. Marc</span></span></p>
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Of</b> Heidi Allen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 16, 2021 2:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> MAIPC Listserve <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [MAIPC] Another stiltgrass question</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know there have been several discussions
about stiltgrass and I apologize if I have missed some information.
But, I am trying to figure out the difference between my volunteer
site and other volunteer’s success in removing
stiltgrass. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Besides shade, soil characteristics (pH,
moisture, etc. ), and deer browsing has anyone looked into the
habitat restoration plan or the native seed bank to see if
there is an effect upon % of stiltgrass seeds that germinate,
survival rate of seeds, and growth rate of the
stiltgrass? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I am specifically wondering about the
following items:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1) The number of native seeds, not type of
seeds.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2) the process of invasive removal - either
removing all invasive plants in one year (repeating as needed) or a
staging process over several years - bushes, vines, forbs, other
graminoids, then stiltgrass.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3) Planting native plants (plugs and quart
sized plants) vs doing nothing vs using a seed mix. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate my guidance people can
provide. </p>
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Heidi</p>
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