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I have seen <a href="https://gobotany.nativeplanttrust.org/species/malus/sieboldii/" title="https://gobotany.nativeplanttrust.org/species/malus/sieboldii/">
Malus sieboldii</a> really spread across meadows here in southeast Pennsylvania- I would consider it invasive, but perhaps less so than Callery pear. <span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">There was a large mature planting
on one side of our park, and we found it popping up in meadows across the park.<span> </span></span> I have actively removed seedlings from the meadow and killed mature trees in the forested edges. This species is a little easier to identify due to the shape
of the leaves, which is similar to hawthorns, especially on the seedlings. I wasn't aware of this finding of Tallamy's at the time.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> MAIPC <maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org> on behalf of Greenberg, Patricia <Patricia.Greenberg@fairfaxcounty.gov><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 2, 2021 1:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> MAIPC <maipc@lists.maipc.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Crab Apples Native Vx. Invasive</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Thanks, Nathan for the feedback. That is interesting to know about Doug Tallamy’s finding. So, if its not as invasive as other tree species like callery pear, are others here in agreement that it can be ignored for the most part? Has
anyone found it to take over areas? I’ve only found it here and there and not dominating areas like callery pears tend to. Or is this an “it depends” conversation?
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Thank you,</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 1, 2021 1:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greenberg, Patricia <Patricia.Greenberg@fairfaxcounty.gov><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I've struggled with this as well and spent awhile trying to get it right and never got anywhere. If I recall correctly, they hybridize, so it's a real spectrum that's hard to diagnose, and that one feature you mentioned didn't do much
for me. It doesn't help that at least some native nurseries don't even seem to realize this is a thing and it's just "malus spp." On the bright side, according to Tallamy, they are interchangeable as a host plant for caterpillars, at least in species numbers,
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 12:47 PM Greenberg, Patricia <<a href="mailto:Patricia.Greenberg@fairfaxcounty.gov">Patricia.Greenberg@fairfaxcounty.gov</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_gmail-m9015152721724382157xmsonormal">Can anyone on this email group help respond to these questions:
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<p class="x_gmail-m9015152721724382157xmsonormal">How do we best distinguish the American native crabapples from Asian ones? According to Flora of Virginia, it looks like a main character is thorn-like branches coming off of the American ones. Is there a better
“clincher” that you know of?</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="">Thank you,</p>
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