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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks everyone for the exchange re "sometimes" certified applicator volunteers...especially s'plain-spoken Art Gover.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Being career Professional 30+ years in the pesticide business... an "individual is either certified or not". Legal or not. It takes a LOT of experience and study graduate from Registered Technician to Certified Applicator. My Certification was key to me now having a Commercial Business License. If I'm reading the latest Wash DC regulations properly...you can only be a minimally-experienced Pesticide Technician (working under supervision of a Certified Applicator) for 2 years before you must take the test for full blow Certification. Slackers need not apply.<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">My career experience has encountered extreme flaws, "education" loop-holes or individuals with a required Degree but never held a sprayer in their life, and political cronyism re allowing un-Registered, Certified, let alone non-Commercial Business pesticide applicators leading major wetland projects on govt, or any, property. <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The Maryland Dept of Agriculture promotes, at every annual re-Certifiation Conference to report or give heads-up re suspected companies/individuals that are applying hazardous chemicals either unknowingly for $, resisting in-house counsel, on the sly or feeling they are excused by some personal entitlement or ego. <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">These individuals are criminals as well as the upper-chain that knowingly abets it. I spend $ thousands of dollars annually for difficult-to- acquire business liability insurance for invasive pesticide/IPM management by-the-rules...there is a reason it's named the PESTICIDE APPLICATORS LAW in the Maryland Charter...to my detriment for a 1+ man shop post retirement following my wildlife habitat preservation passion. <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I do NOT not to allow volunteers to work alongside me for fear of ANY pesticide contact liability issues, PLUS they are NOT registered in Maryland (under me) as a Registered Technician. I refuse association with abusers or abettors; I hold my Lifetime business license as sacred for my profession,environmental passion and will not tarnish my reputation associating with scofflaws and environmental hypocrites. <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">PS Admins...if you feel my opinions violate Group sensibilities or cause offense...feel free to edit remove...cens..</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Great Group, dealing with the entire spectrum of invasive plant control. Just don't "control" me like my goat entrepreneur opine. <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><p style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%">
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--></style><div><div class="yiv5758192830WordSection1"><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">Sometimes volunteers are certified applicators. I have found that many organizations in Hawaii, Maryland etc. have a small number of such volunteers to apply chemicals. </span></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> MAIPC <maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greenberg, Patricia<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> Gover, Art <aeg2@psu.edu>; Nicole Hersch <nicole@nrvrc.org><br><b>Cc:</b> MAIPC Listserve <maipc@lists.maipc.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Invasive Management on Public Land</p></div></div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Hi Nicole,</p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">In Fairfax County Park Authority, we do not allow volunteers to apply chemicals on parkland. Though many of our dedicated volunteers have asked if they could. We have Certified Techs on staff and have to have a Certified Applicator to supervise the techs. We hold the Forest Pest certification- Category 2. </p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">We have about 65 or so dedicated Invasive Management Area Volunteer Site Leaders. We have a list of 90 but some are paused due to covid precautions. Site Leaders go through a training process including a PowerPoint presentation, background checks, on-site visits for plant identification training, and have to do online training through our Volunteer Management System like PPE or blood borne pathogens safety training. We provide the site leader tools when they set up workdays, which we post on our webpage. I have attached an example of a site plan that our IMA Site Leaders used to have to fill out yearly. A couple of the original volunteers still like to update their site plans. Now a days, by signing up on our online volunteer management system, they are basically signing off. I also attached our sign-up sheet and the scout project agreement which any scout needs to fill out prior to implementing an Eagle Scout project on parkland. </p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Staff help at volunteer sites by doing the chemical application where its cut stump treatments or a little spraying of celandine and other plants that volunteers cannot manage manually. I have also hired a contractor to follow-up on sites after volunteers have brought down the invasives and removed the debris. It makes it a lot cheaper. </p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">I wonder if the Blue Ridge PRISM might be a source of volunteers for the community? </p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">I hope this is helpful,</p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Patricia Pearl Greenberg<br>Ecologist II</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"></span></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Invasive Management Area (IMA) Program Manager</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"></span></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Natural Resource Branch</span></i></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Fairfax County Park Authority</span></i></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Office: 703-324-8673</span></i></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Fax: 703-324-3996</span></i></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><a ymailto="mailto:patricia.greenberg@fairfaxcounty.gov" href="mailto:patricia.greenberg@fairfaxcounty.gov" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">patricia.greenberg@fairfaxcounty.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"></span></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">(She/Her/Hers)</span></i></p><p style="" class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"> </span></i></p><p style="" class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;">ISA Certified Arborist,</span> </i><i><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;">MA-6067A</span></i></p><p style="" class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;">ISA Tree Risk Assessment Qualified</span></i></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"> </span></i></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/parks/invasive-management-area" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;"><img style="width:2.2812in;min-height:.9375in;" id="yiv5758192830Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:bjhGdVRFoP149k2CxMOu" yahoo_partid="1.2" width="219" height="90" border="0"></span></a><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"></span></i></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"> </span></i></p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> MAIPC <<a ymailto="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org" href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gover, Art<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 18, 2022 4:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nicole Hersch <<a ymailto="mailto:nicole@nrvrc.org" href="mailto:nicole@nrvrc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nicole@nrvrc.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> MAIPC Listserve <<a ymailto="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Invasive Management on Public Land</p></div></div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Hi, Nicole. </p><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">I think your question #2 will be state-specific.</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">I can offer my understanding of PA.</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Terminology:</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Certified Applicator: someone who has passed the state exam for a particular application category (PA has 26), and works for a Pesticide Business as a public or commercial applicator. A Pesticide Business is necessary to obtain the required liability insurance.</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">If by “volunteer” you mean a non-credentialed applicator, then they can only apply under the direct (present, in communication) supervision of a certified applicator licensed in the relevant category. In PA, the work you’re describing would likely be Category 10 (Rights-of-way, Non-crop) (or Category 5 - Forest Pest Management, or Category 23 - Parks and Schools).</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">In PA, if a municipality wanted a volunteer corps of applicators, they would either need their own applicator (and business license and insurance) to supervise (and train), or have a commercial applicator (with their own business license and insurance) supervise (and train) them. Someone involved has to be certified and liable. </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">If the municipality has a business license, they could register applicator technicians, trained in a specific curriculum by their certified applicator. These registered applicator technicians can work autonomously.</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">It’s a lot of work. I think there’s a good chance an experienced commercial applicator could do the envisioned work on a for-hire basis fairly quickly and for less expense (figuring training, admin, etc) than engaging volunteers.</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Be well.</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Art Gover</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Fruittown Land Stewardship Services</p><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:32, Nicole Hersch <<a ymailto="mailto:nicole@nrvrc.org" href="mailto:nicole@nrvrc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nicole@nrvrc.org</a>> wrote:</p></div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Hi All, </p><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">I have a couple of questions that I am looking for some advice on. First a little background. </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">One of the Towns in my region has acknowledged that invasive species are a huge problem, but they haven't done anything about it to date and aren't exactly sure where to start--it seems daunting to say the least (not to mention Town staff is already at capacity-with no resident experts on payroll). </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">The main idea on the table is that a small area is chosen as a demonstration site for invasive removal and potentially native planting, to be executed by community groups who have a capacity for on-going efforts. Long-term maintenance of the site is of concern. The Town has been burned by a lot of short-term projects which create additional long-term work for staff. </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">1. Does anyone have volunteer groups complete an MOU when performing long-term invasive management on public land? If so, would you be willing to share it?</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">2. Has anyone used volunteers as certified applicators on public land? If so, could you tell me about that? </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Any thoughts on this topic in general are greatly appreciated! </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Thanks,</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Nicole </p></div><div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">-- </p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Nicole Hersch, ASLA </p><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Regional Planner II/Community Designer</p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><img style="width:2.0833in;min-height:.5833in;" id="yiv5758192830_x0000_i1025" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1QiqvsPd1jTVj4gKSHT35CtL98HcAlFPv&revid=0B-eFJd959WWEY09LL2ZpczdWUGl4M1QrZXlqbDZJTUZoeWhzPQ" width="200" height="56" border="0"></p></div><div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">New River Valley Regional Commission</p><div><p style="" class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">p: (540) 639-9313 </p><p style="" class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">6580 Valley Center Drive, Suite 124</p><p style="" class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">Radford, Virginia 24141</p><p style="" class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"><a href="https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnrvrc.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7CPatricia.greenberg%40fairfaxcounty.gov%7C9400a53332224826d15308d9dacd7f89%7Ca26156cb5d6f41729d7d934eb0a7b275%7C0%7C0%7C637781398417703848%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=k6axJ3aeiNqXzo%2FcMd1lIMYM6b2UJ6nXoJKDyMDJhNE%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nrvrc.org</a> </p><p style="" class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>MAIPC mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:MAIPC@lists.maipc.org" href="mailto:MAIPC@lists.maipc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">MAIPC@lists.maipc.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org</a></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="yiv5758192830MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><div id="yiv5758192830DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2">
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