<div dir="ltr">The photos of P. serratifolia don't look similar to this tree. The link Margaret sent looks pretty close, but that one, too, lacks an identification. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:07 PM MARGARET CHATHAM <<a href="mailto:margaret.chatham@verizon.net" target="_blank">margaret.chatham@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Please check out this iNaturalist observation <a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/113623546" target="_blank">https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/113623546</a> —and there are a handful of others from Fairfax County on iNaturalist — identified as Photinia villosa or Pourthiaea villosa.<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 19, 2022, at 3:32 PM, Rod Simmons <<a href="mailto:Rod.Simmons@alexandriava.gov" target="_blank">Rod.Simmons@alexandriava.gov</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It is Photinia serratifolia that is a rare escape in Virginia:<span> </span><a href="http://vaplantatlas.org/index.php?do=plant&plant=3890" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://vaplantatlas.org/index.php?do=plant&plant=3890</a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span> </span>MAIPC <<a href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Patrick D. Kelly<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Thursday, May 19, 2022 12:06 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>MAIPC Listserve <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>>;<span> </span><a href="mailto:INVASIVES@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">INVASIVES@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU</a>; Stephen Hiltner <<a href="mailto:stevehiltner@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">stevehiltner@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [MAIPC] mystery invasive in central NJ<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Just to be clear and a cautionary head-off of any knee-jerk reactions by the public, you are NOT referring to the popular landscape plant Red Tip Photinia or Photinia x fraseri .<span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Yes, Dirr mentions in his tome Manual of Woody landscape Plants pg 809 observing this plant P. villossa Oriental Photinia escaping from a noted arboretum "with seedlings established along the road".<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">But no...cultivar Red Tip Photinia, the popular landscape plant, has not been noted for invasiveness. In fact, I'm surprised any of them survive at all due to rampant leaf spot disease.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Patrick D. Kelly, Principal and Horticulturis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 in Princeton, NJ, and is now spreading across the state. A few years back, I discovered another invasive small tree that may be in the same genus, which was changed from Photinia to </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Pourthiaea. Here are a couple photos of the foliage, comparing the two: </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><a href="https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos.app.goo.gl%2FgptnqGTfHnVXZuNz9&data=05%7C01%7Crod.simmons%40alexandriava.gov%7Cd854d488c2c14ac2c34908da39b177a1%7Cfeaa9b3143754aeeadccc76ad32a890b%7C0%7C0%7C637885732813684646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3VPQzeCdd1v3AXHZvIsH7HdvOxRWEtKFU%2F9B39b2SKI%3D&reserved=0" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://photos.app.goo.gl/gptnqGTfHnVXZuNz9</a><span> </span>The Photinia villosa is much coarser.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I posted<span> </span><a href="https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.princetonnaturenotes.org%2F2022%2F01%2Fa-mystery-tree-in-princeton.html&data=05%7C01%7Crod.simmons%40alexandriava.gov%7Cd854d488c2c14ac2c34908da39b177a1%7Cfeaa9b3143754aeeadccc76ad32a890b%7C0%7C0%7C637885732813684646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lUtv%2Fqjo8ckIONl1ZY5SE%2F0a8wk5O6GPOiBuUONUUC0%3D&reserved=0" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">more photos</a><span> </span>on my nature blog, and the species, whatever it is, is now being discussed on iNaturalist: <a href="https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inaturalist.org%2Fobservations%2F117251042&data=05%7C01%7Crod.simmons%40alexandriava.gov%7Cd854d488c2c14ac2c34908da39b177a1%7Cfeaa9b3143754aeeadccc76ad32a890b%7C0%7C0%7C637885732813684646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=frnG%2FaUV1VeV2oqC76MuV6DvNsVneSspIJUbDCFnsM8%3D&reserved=0" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/117251042</a><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I've been encountering more and more in Princeton preserves. Most are small and don't bloom, but I have one in my yard that gets some sun and just finished blooming.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Steve<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">_______________________________________________<br>MAIPC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MAIPC@lists.maipc.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">MAIPC@lists.maipc.org</a><br><a href="https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.maipc.org%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fmaipc-maipc.org&data=05%7C01%7Crod.simmons%40alexandriava.gov%7Cd854d488c2c14ac2c34908da39b177a1%7Cfeaa9b3143754aeeadccc76ad32a890b%7C0%7C0%7C637885732813684646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0idmoZ0JZYsnexW7til8HHOQL0qq13mchjm6VVTyETM%3D&reserved=0" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://lists.maipc.org/listinfo.cgi/maipc-maipc.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400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