<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">I would like to thank Patricia for initiating this conversation. Her concerns and questions are something that we at Blue Ridge PRISM have discussed.  </span><font face="times new roman, serif">My colleague Rowena Zimmermann emphasized in an earlier reply that, "... it is more than just plant nomenclature but also how we talk about invasive plants in general that make up the bigger picture on how we as a whole can be more mindful and respectful of how we use our words in this field." I encourage you to go back and read her reply in this discussion thread. While I do not necessarily agree with changing all plant names referring to geographic origin (I think most of us agree this may have unintended consequences), this is an important conversation for all of us to have and keep in mind as we talk to the public about invasive species and land management. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font face="times new roman, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font face="times new roman, serif">What we do at Blue Ridge PRISM is education, outreach, and communications about invasive plants and their management. </font><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">I had been involved in CWMA's and dealing with invasive plants for a significant portion of my conservation career never giving messaging or words a second thought; however, s</span><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">ince joining the PRISM team in 2020, I have considered these questions a great deal. For example, one communications strategy that struck me immediately focused around battles, waging war, weed warriors, etc. This language made me deeply uncomfortable even though it was used in a well-meaning way to ready the troops, fight the invaders, and grab attention. It made me uncomfortable because there is so much violence in our world. We are bombarded by it everyday. I am tired of violence and perhaps others were turned off by it and tired of violent imagery as well. </span><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">Now I know that kind of messaging is militaristic message framing.</span><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"> This observation started my deep concern and thinking about this subject. </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">Words matter and they matter in how we communicate about invasive plants effectively.  This is not about being 'woke' and inferring that conversations like these are 'nonsense' are not helpful (I felt this suggestion effectively shut the conversation down) to all of us striving to be better communicators, more welcoming and inclusive, and empowering. The more people we can help be better stewards of their land, the better. Negative words, ineffective messaging, and hurtful language get in the way of that goal, so yes, we must ask these questions and be open to examining the answers in a thoughtful way.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font face="times new roman, serif">Two publications have been particularly helpful to me. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><b>“Testing Emphasis Message Frames and Metaphors on Social Media to Engage Boaters to Learn about Preventing the Spread of Zebra Mussels”</b><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><a href="https://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/news/new-research-provides-guidance-for-effective-public-messaging-about-invasive-species-prevention/?utm_source=feedburnerNational+Invasive+Species+Information+Center+-+What%27s+New&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nisic+%28National+Invasive+Species+Information+Center+-+What%27s+New%29" target="_blank">https://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/news/new-research-provides-guidance-for-effective-public-messaging-about-invasive-species-prevention/?utm_source=feedburnerNational+Invasive+Species+Information+Center+-+What%27s+New&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nisic+%28National+Invasive+Species+Information+Center+-+What%27s+New%29</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><a href="https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s00267-021-01506-6?sharing_token=ovX2mpOZEvxd6J5kioABzPe4RwlQNchNByi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<span style="font-size:11pt">Personally, I really don't see a problem here.  As M.L. Fernald once said, botany is a "guileless profession".</span></div>
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 anywhere else negatively and see nothing wrong with these origins (I’m from South America)."  Agreed!  I think this whole thing is a non-starter.  If folks' intentions are good - and they certainly are in our collective family, in my experience - then we should
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 sumacs in Africa and as much as we curse Oriental Bittersweet here.  They all curse the weed and human folly - not a country or people.  As Pogo famously said, "We have met the enemy and he is us". </span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 28, 2022 10:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Don Callihan <<a href="mailto:don_ihan@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">don_ihan@hotmail.com</a>>; Rowena Zimmermann <<a href="mailto:rowena@blueridgeprism.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rowena@blueridgeprism.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a> <<a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Debarros, Nelson <<a href="mailto:Nelson.DeBarros@fairfaxcounty.gov" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Nelson.DeBarros@fairfaxcounty.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Invasive plant nomenclature</font>
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Here is the link for the webinar on thoughtful nomenclature: Watch the video<<a href="https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fvideo.vt.edu%2Fmedia%2FVMN%2BCE%2BWebinarA%2BWhat%2527s%2BIn%2Ba%2BNameF%2BThoughtful%2BNomenclature%2BMakes%2Ba%2BDifference%2F1_r4imzpls&data=05%7C01%7Crod.simmons%40alexandriava.gov%7C025eac6dac44414e13c308dad245f81a%7Cfeaa9b3143754aeeadccc76ad32a890b%7C0%7C0%7C638053495240133392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WhjH%2FH6hkj%2BDHo1y8EYXuHp2xeBRMxQAV2ulzoqfhgM%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://video.vt.edu/media/VMN+CE+WebinarA+What%27s+In+a+NameF+Thoughtful+Nomenclature+Makes+a+Difference/1_r4imzpls</a>>
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I think the key when having conversations with the public about invasive species is to focus the topic on supporting wildlife by making space for native species to thrive. Specifically emphasizing the fact that natives provide more healthy food sources and
 habitat for songbirds, pollinators and other wildlife helps keep the conversation positive and uplifting. Unfortunately, the way we talk about managing invasive species and also reference their origins may and has been construed to similar conversations about
 immigrant peoples in a negative way. Personally, I don’t want to reference being from Asia, Africa, South America or anywhere else negatively and see nothing wrong with these origins (I’m from South America). However, the conversations are happening and something
 needs to be cleared up so we can have constructive conversations about creating healthy wildlife habitat and avoid feeling guilt about talking about killing invasive plants.  </p>
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I wonder if the issue with negative connotation dependent on where you live (i.e. regions of higher immigrant populations vs. less immigrant populations)? Is using the term “invasive” in the place of Asian, Oriental, etc. enough or do we need a more useful
 common name? The work done in Minnesota has started changing names using Asian or that reference the plants’ origins.
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<b>From:</b> MAIPC <<a href="mailto:maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">maipc-bounces@lists.maipc.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Callihan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 23, 2022 11:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rowena Zimmermann <<a href="mailto:rowena@blueridgeprism.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rowena@blueridgeprism.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:maipc@lists.maipc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">maipc@lists.maipc.org</a><br>
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Hello everyone,</p>
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This is such an important conversation and I hope our community can come to consensus on what to maintain and how to make changes where they are needed.</p>
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Is it possible for someone to share the Virginia Master Naturalists webinar with any suggested attribution so that it can be used by others?</p>
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<b>Don Callihan</b></p>
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Cockeysville, MD 21030</p>
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410-961-8132 (cellular)</p>
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<a href="mailto:don_ihan@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">don_ihan@hotmail.com</span></a>
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<b>From:</b> Rowena Zimmermann <<a href="mailto:rowena@blueridgeprism.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rowena@blueridgeprism.org</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 22, 2022 11:45 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MAIPC] Invasive plant nomenclature</p>
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Hi Patricia and Norris,</p>
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This has been an issue we are very aware of at Blue Ridge PRISM and last year we made the decision to use the term "Asiatic Bittersweet" rather than "Oriental Bittersweet." However, at this time we continue to use terms like Japanese stiltgrass, Norway maple,
 and English ivy as they seem to be more indicative of the origin of the species rather than any derogatory intent.  As an Asian woman, I've encountered language out there that makes me uncomfortable (e.g. articles that refer to some invasive plants as "Asian
 intruders" or "alien invaders") because the terms, although not intended in this aspect, have been used against Asian (and other immigrant) people in the past and continue to be used that way.  So, it is more than just plant nomenclature but also how we talk
 about invasive plants in general that make up the bigger picture on how we as a whole can be more mindful and respectful of how we use our words in this field. </p>
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 6:09 PM <<a href="mailto:maipc-request@lists.maipc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">maipc-request@lists.maipc.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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   1. Re: Nomenclature (Muth, Norris (MUTH))<br>
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From: "Muth, Norris (MUTH)" <<a href="mailto:MUTH@juniata.edu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">MUTH@juniata.edu</a>><br>
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Patricia,<br>
I?m a big fan of all the good work you?re doing. Thanks for brining up this important and interesting subject.<br>
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Lots of the words that figure into both common and scientific names are derogatory and/or offensive. In most of the cases below I have mixed feelings about searching for alternate common names (with the exception of bittersweet which I have seen some preferring
 the term Asiatic bittersweet). I know that in other contexts (e.g. COVID and flu, etc.) some people have tried (and sometimes succeeded) to turn the names of regions into something with negative connotations. In the recent case of the coronavirus outbreak
 some people chose specifically to use terminology that wasn?t common parlance to stoke these negative associations. Thankfully, I don?t see the parallel between that abhorrent behavior and the botanical examples below.<br>
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To me, the names Japanese stiltgrass and the like merely refer to locations that the species originate from (likely somewhat inaccurately ? but being accurate with biological names is a different problem). We can all agree that there?s nothing offensive about
 being from Japan, China, Norway, or anywhere. What would definitely be troubling is if people were pushing messages that these are anything other than purely descriptive when using these terms. I admit that could certainly be possible, but I haven?t yet seen
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What I certainly want to avoid is using offensive terminology to describe plants (and anything else), and I think people are doing great work in places to address that (e.g. spongy moth). I also want to avoid (and I know very well that you aren?t suggesting
 this yourself ? but it could arise from renaming efforts) the idea that being from any of these countries is a bad thing.<br>
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I also want to avoid unnecessary confusion around invasive species listing and management, which could be an unfortunate byproduct of renaming species that are still for sale. If someone can buy Norway maple, I want to make sure I?m able to tell them what to
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If there is more light to be shed on this discussion I would be grateful to hear them. Thanks again for bringing up this interesting and important issue.<br>
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Subject: [MAIPC] Nomenclature<br>
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I?m continuing a conversation about the names of invasive species that feel insensitive to use. Recently, Virginia Master Naturalists held a webinar on this topic (which I haven?t watched yet).<br>
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What's in a Name? Thoughtful Nomenclature Makes a Difference<br>
Presenter: Angela Gupta, University of Minnesota Extension<br>
Recorded: 10 November 2022<br>
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I am planning to work with our botanist to find names for invasives that reference their location of origin, such as:<br>
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Oriental bittersweet<br>
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Japanese stiltgrass<br>
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Japanese/Chinese wisterias<br>
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Chinese Holly<br>
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Japanese Holly<br>
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And others<br>
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My question to you is if you or people you know have started these conversations and if so, what names are you using/changing?<br>
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Thank you,<br>
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Patricia Pearl Greenberg<br>
Ecologist II<br>
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Invasive Management Area (IMA) Program Manager<br>
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Natural Resource Branch<br>
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Fairfax County Park Authority<br>
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Office: 703-324-8673<br>
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ISA Certified Arborist, MA-6067A<br>
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ISA Tree Risk Assessment Qualified</p>
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