[MAIPC] MAIPC Digest, Vol 68, Issue 11-Neonnicotinoid

Kathryn Peterson-Lambert triplam747 at aol.com
Mon Jun 19 15:27:31 PDT 2017 

Hi again,   The chemicals that are present within the plant - make the plant. For ex: Joe Pye Weed now has its own Genus - why? Chemical make-up. Neonnicotinoid changes the basic chemistry of the plant - yes it does - change the plant chemistry because  the chemical is implanted into the seed - this changes the DNA of the plant because it is put into the seed. The DNA package is then different - it has different coding because it has this seed that carries the chemical neonnicotinoids/related nicotine like products.  The chemicals present within a plant make the plant. My point: Neonicotinoid has been linked by studies to show that it is contributing to bee population decline. Therefore, if the plant is a ‘debilitator’ to other plants because of its contribution to the decline of pollinators - can it be represented as an invasive? 
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>   1. Re: Fwd: harmful milkweed from Home Depot (Margaret Chatham)
>   2. Food for thought, and some interesting stats...
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> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:13:34 -0400
> From: Margaret Chatham <margaret.chatham at verizon.net>
> To: Kathryn Peterson-Lambert <triplam747 at aol.com>,
> 	<maipc at lists.maipc.org>
> Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Fwd: harmful milkweed from Home Depot
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> Dear Kathy,
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> The plant DNA is unchanged. Once the neo-nics are worked out of the plant?s
> system (when? Next year?) they will be normal, native milkweed. It does not
> make the plant any more invasive than it would normally be (common milkweed
> can certainly be very aggressive ? I didn?t catch if they said which species
> of milkweed was being sold.)
> 
> Yes, this practice is very bad & self-defeating as far as monarchs &
> pollinators are concerned, but it doesn?t change the plant itself.
> 
> Margaret
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> On 6/18/17 12:13 PM, "Kathryn Peterson-Lambert" <triplam747 at aol.com> wrote:
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>> Milkweed - neonic- Nicotine based plants. I am concerned that this plant
>> because although a native - it becomes invasive when it is treated in this
>> manner? This plant is no longer a native because it is carrying a different
>> DNA package - am I correct in assessing it that way? We define native plants
>> by their DNA package and their chemical composition don?t we? Or at least I do
>> when I am studying the historical and medicinal uses of plants.  The chemical
>> changes the composition of the plant and it becomes a different plant because
>> of its new chemical composition? Any thoughts on this one? Thank you, Kathryn
>> Peterson Lambert
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: "MJ Webb" <m.j.webb at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: harmful milkweed from Home Depot
>>> Date: May 7, 2017 at 7:42:51 AM EDT
>>> To: <m.j.webb at verizon.net>
>>> 
>>> Beware the killer milkweed sold in stores.  Why must we always mess with
>>> mother nature?  it is all about the money, like the man said.  Pollinators
>>> goodbye. 
>>> 
>>> From: Randie Trestrail <mailto:randiesue at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:13 AM
>>> To: Noel and Nancy Talcott <mailto:nancynoeltalcott at verizon.net>  ; Philip E.
>>> Prisco <mailto:priscop at verizon.net>  ; mailto:gwyn at jlab.org ; Carol Bartram
>>> <mailto:bartram2 at verizon.net>  ; Dana Horton <mailto:hortondands at gmail.com>
>>> ; mandy philbeck <mailto:mandy.canoodles at gmail.com>  ; MJ Webb
>>> <mailto:m.j.webb at verizon.net>  ; stu at gardenatriums.com
>>> Subject: Fwd: harmful milkweed from Home Depot
>>> 
>>> Alert to plant and Bee people, please see below.
>>> 
>>> Randie
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Susan Yager <soozigus at cox.net>
>>> Date: Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:02 PM
>>> Subject: harmful milkweed from Home Depot
>>> To: Sooz Yager <soozigus at cox.net>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The email below was distributed to the members of the Virginia Native Plant
>>> Society local John Clayton Chapter.  I would imagine the same situation may
>>> occur at any Home Depot across the country.
>>> 
>>> There?s more to the neonic problem than the monarch caterpillars it may kill.
>>> Bees that take nectar from plants treated with neonics come to prefer the
>>> tainted flowers and seek out other neonic-treated flowers.  It?s sort of like
>>> an addiction in that they keep going back for the poison, and then of course
>>> they take the nectar and pollen to the hive, affecting the rest of the hive?s
>>> population.  These neonics are really, really bad stuff.  Please spread the
>>> word on Home Depot (and surely other places) to other pollinator gardeners.
>>> 
>>> Susie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Louise Menges [mailto:ltmeng at verizon.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 1:31 PM
>>> To: Louise Menges
>>> Subject: Fwd: harmful milkweed plants being sold
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear  JCC members,
>>> Lucile Kossodo received this email written by a concerned gardener in
>>> Louisiana and asked me to pass it on--
>>> Louise
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I purchased  a Milkweed plant from Home Depot near my home and it wasn't
>>>>> until I got home  that I noticed the little information stick hidden behind
>>>>> the identification  information that the plant had been treated with
>>>>> systemic Neonicotinoids.  The container boasted how  desirable the plant is
>>>>> for birds and butterflies.  Yesterday I went to  a different Home Depot and
>>>>> they had just put out an entire rolling cart of  these plants, maybe about
>>>>> 100, all poisoned.  I contacted the store  manager and told him that it is
>>>>> the same as giving poison candy to kids on  Halloween. This is THE host
>>>>> plant for the Monarch.  My club, Shady Oaks  and our junior club, Little
>>>>> Shadows have worked so hard to establish a  Monarch Waystation and to
>>>>> educate people on the decline of the  Monarch.  I hate to think of the
>>>>> millions of poison Milkweed being  distributed nationwide by Home Depot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The container says distributed  by Home Depot, 2455 Paces Ferry Rd N. W.,
>>>>> Atlanta , Georgia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I  contacted the LSU Ag Agent for New Orleans, Dr Joe Willis.  He said the
>>>>> Neonicotinoids will dilute as the plants grow but that only a very small
>>>>> amount will kill the larva of the Monarch.  He is contacting the Master
>>>>> Gardeners of the area.  I contacted the newsletters of the Jefferson
>>>>> Parish Council of Garden Clubs and the Federated Council of New Orleans
>>>>> Garden Clubs to ask that they send a notice to our local members.  I
>>>>> contacted a local GOA club and the president said she would inform her
>>>>> members. I contacted our LGCF President and our Environmental School
>>>>> Chairman with the information.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We need a notice to Home Depot from a  national source.  I contacted the
>>>>> Monarch Watch organization ,www.MonarchWatch.org/ws
>>>>> <http://www.monarchwatch.org/ws>  <http://www.MonarchWatch.org/ws>  at the
>>>>> University of Kansas (1200 Sunnyside Avenue, Lawrence, KS 66045) .  The
>>>>> Little Shadows Junior Garden Club registered our Monarch Waystation with
>>>>> them.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://www.monarchwatch.org/ws> Monarch Watch :  Monarch Waystation
>>>>> Program
>>>>> 
>>>>> www.monarchwatch.org <http://www.monarchwatch.org/>
>>>>> <http://www.monarchwatch.org <http://www.monarchwatch.org/>
>>>>> <http://www.monarchwatch.org >  >
>>>>> 
>>>>> Monarch Watch is a  cooperative network of students, teachers, volunteers
>>>>> and researchers  dedicated to the study of the Monarch butterfly, Danaus
>>>>> plexippus and its  ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandy we need a response from NGC to this issue. It needs to be  sent soon
>>>>> as these plants are being sold now to well meaning people who are  wanting
>>>>> to help the Monarch not kill them.  I know you are very busy  but I hate to
>>>>> think of the billions of plants being sold nationwide and how  that will
>>>>> cancel the efforts of so many to stop the demise of the Monarch.  Could you
>>>>> please help?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary Ellen Miller
>>>>> 
>>>>> Shady Oaks Garden  Club , LGCF District II
>>>>> 
>>>>> Moderator Little Shadows Junior Garden  Club
>>>>> 
>>>>> Immediate Past President Federated Council of New Orleans Garden  Clubs
>>>>> Inc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> memiller306 at yahoo.com <mailto:memiller306 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> (504)723-7796 <tel:(504)%20723-7796>  <tel:%28504%29%20723-7796>
>>>>> 
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