[MAIPC] herbicide travel distance in Japanese honeysuckle runners??

Thu Apr 15 18:28:54 PDT 2021

Ummmmm....is she dead or just stuck?

Ruth

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:51 AM Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
wrote:

> She got the honeysuckle!
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:29 AM Ruth Douglas <cvilleruth at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Marc, is it correct to say that J. honeysuckle won't bloom (and make
>> seeds) unless it it climbing?
>>
>> Ruth Douglas
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:05 AM Marc Imlay <ialm at erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It is critical to remove the vines of Japanese honeysuckle going high up
>>> the trees. Deer do not climb up the trees, of course. Deer are now under
>>> control in my local park and the Japanese honeysuckle came back in large
>>> amounts, but only where we did not complete the removal of the vines up the
>>> trees.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marc imlay
>>>
>>> Maryland Sierra Natural Places Committee.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* MAIPC <maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org> *On Behalf Of *Nathan
>>> Hartshorne
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 1:06 PM
>>> *To:* Hamersky Business <william at skyhammer.com>
>>> *Cc:* MAIPC Listserve (maipc at lists.maipc.org) <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [MAIPC] herbicide travel distance in Japanese
>>> honeysuckle runners??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm never one to say don't control invasives, but it is worth pointing
>>> out that deer often provide a lot of control of japanese honeysuckle,
>>> especially when they are overpopulated, which is pretty common.  So
>>> depending on the browse you see, you can even focus on other species.  One
>>> big drawback of deer fences for restoration projects is that I would then
>>> have to deal with a lot of honeysuckle climbing up the baby trees.
>>> Obviously the control the deer provide isn't perfect, so it's good to do
>>> your sprays anyways, but it's rare when we can enjoy deer doing something
>>> so good, so I like to bring it up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 12:18 PM Hamersky Business <
>>> william at skyhammer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the speedy replies everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was using 2-3% glyphosate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If it matters, I have the option of Candor or 3-D to use on these guys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> William Hamersky
>>> Skyhammer
>>> 470 Taylors Gap Rd
>>> Charlottesville, VA  22903
>>>
>>> cel:  415. 516. 2560
>>>
>>> william at skyhammer.com
>>>
>>> “The Ash, having fibres tenacious and strong,
>>> Teaches me firm resistance, to battle with wrong."
>>>       Helen O. Hoyt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2021, at 7:36 AM, Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It really depends heavily on the herbicide used. Some herbicides travel
>>> in roots and some don't. Some herbicides travel far in soils and some
>>> don't. I don't know of research applicable to runners in particular but
>>> there are certainly many research projects on efficacy of herbicide X on
>>> species Y.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just did a quick search in Google Scholar and found a few old
>>> resources for this species in particular:
>>>
>>> Regehr, D. L., & Frey, D. R. (1988). Selective control of Japanese
>>> honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica). Weed Technology, 139-143.
>>>
>>> Evans, J. E. (1984). Japanese honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica): a
>>> literature review of management practices. *Natural Areas Journal*,
>>> 4-10.
>>>
>>> Nuzzo, V. (1997). Element stewardship abstract for Lonicera japonica. *Nature
>>> Conservancy, Arlington, VA*.
>>> <https://www.invasive.org/gist/esadocs/documnts/lonijap.pdf>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Element Stewardship Abstracts are usually very useful for
>>> management. These documents were being produced back when TNC had a robust
>>> invasive species program and I have found them to be very useful for
>>> decades. Obviously, new research is not captured in these documents and
>>> some of the chemicals outlined in them and not ones many natural area
>>> managers would like to use if they could be avoided. But, they are a good
>>> place to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 10:00 PM Hamersky Business <
>>> william at skyhammer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> New to the MAIPC list mail, but have been reducing invasives on my
>>> property for the 6 years I’ve lived in Virginia, and also belong to Blue
>>> Ridge PRISM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve been foliar spraying young J honeysuckle sprouts on the farm for a
>>> few days now and was wondering if anyone has info or knows of research on
>>> “just how far” the herbicide can travel along the runners before it is no
>>> longer effective? I’m guessing you all know that you can pull up one young
>>> sprout and have 3, 4, 5, or more runners attached to it, many with other
>>> “sproutlets” attached that will eventually root and create independent
>>> plants.  Incidentally, when I did occasionally pull up a sprout attached
>>> with runners, often their small “siblings" were invisible under the leaf
>>> litter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So my question is: is there any research out there showing the efficacy
>>> of herbicide treatment on invasive runners? Is it worthwhile to herbicide
>>> treat these groups of plants, or just keep pulling and pulling (exposing
>>> lots of bare soil in the meantime and who knows how many other
>>> weed/invasive seeds!) and see how far I can go… hopefully not to the next
>>> county.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for any help/input/direction!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> William Hamersky
>>> Skyhammer
>>> 470 Taylors Gap Rd
>>> Charlottesville, VA  22903
>>>
>>> cel:  415. 516. 2560
>>>
>>> william at skyhammer.com
>>>
>>> “The Ash, having fibres tenacious and strong,
>>> Teaches me firm resistance, to battle with wrong."
>>>       Helen O. Hoyt
>>>
>>>
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