[MAIPC] herbicide travel distance in Japanese honeysuckle runners??

Fri Apr 16 09:36:21 PDT 2021

Apologies if I sent everyone a pic of a dead deer.  There are a variety of
pics of deer stick in trees online and I just chose one I thought looked
alive (didn't really pay attention).  Still, you can see that if there was
any honeysuckle in that tree, it is gone (eaten).

On Thursday, April 15, 2021, Ruth Douglas <cvilleruth at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ummmmm....is she dead or just stuck?
>
> Ruth
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:51 AM Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> She got the honeysuckle!
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:29 AM Ruth Douglas <cvilleruth at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marc, is it correct to say that J. honeysuckle won't bloom (and make
>>> seeds) unless it it climbing?
>>>
>>> Ruth Douglas
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:05 AM Marc Imlay <ialm at erols.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is critical to remove the vines of Japanese honeysuckle going high
>>>> up the trees. Deer do not climb up the trees, of course. Deer are now under
>>>> control in my local park and the Japanese honeysuckle came back in large
>>>> amounts, but only where we did not complete the removal of the vines up the
>>>> trees.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marc imlay
>>>>
>>>> Maryland Sierra Natural Places Committee.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* MAIPC <maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org> *On Behalf Of *Nathan
>>>> Hartshorne
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 1:06 PM
>>>> *To:* Hamersky Business <william at skyhammer.com>
>>>> *Cc:* MAIPC Listserve (maipc at lists.maipc.org) <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [MAIPC] herbicide travel distance in Japanese
>>>> honeysuckle runners??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm never one to say don't control invasives, but it is worth pointing
>>>> out that deer often provide a lot of control of japanese honeysuckle,
>>>> especially when they are overpopulated, which is pretty common.  So
>>>> depending on the browse you see, you can even focus on other species.  One
>>>> big drawback of deer fences for restoration projects is that I would then
>>>> have to deal with a lot of honeysuckle climbing up the baby trees.
>>>> Obviously the control the deer provide isn't perfect, so it's good to do
>>>> your sprays anyways, but it's rare when we can enjoy deer doing something
>>>> so good, so I like to bring it up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 12:18 PM Hamersky Business <
>>>> william at skyhammer.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the speedy replies everyone!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was using 2-3% glyphosate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If it matters, I have the option of Candor or 3-D to use on these guys.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Hamersky
>>>> Skyhammer
>>>> 470 Taylors Gap Rd
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/470+Taylors+Gap+Rd+Charlottesville,+VA+%C2%A022903?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> Charlottesville, VA  22903
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/470+Taylors+Gap+Rd+Charlottesville,+VA+%C2%A022903?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>
>>>> cel:  415. 516. 2560
>>>>
>>>> william at skyhammer.com
>>>>
>>>> “The Ash, having fibres tenacious and strong,
>>>> Teaches me firm resistance, to battle with wrong."
>>>>       Helen O. Hoyt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 13, 2021, at 7:36 AM, Mark Frey <runcator at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It really depends heavily on the herbicide used. Some herbicides travel
>>>> in roots and some don't. Some herbicides travel far in soils and some
>>>> don't. I don't know of research applicable to runners in particular but
>>>> there are certainly many research projects on efficacy of herbicide X on
>>>> species Y.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just did a quick search in Google Scholar and found a few old
>>>> resources for this species in particular:
>>>>
>>>> Regehr, D. L., & Frey, D. R. (1988). Selective control of Japanese
>>>> honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica). Weed Technology, 139-143.
>>>>
>>>> Evans, J. E. (1984). Japanese honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica): a
>>>> literature review of management practices. *Natural Areas Journal*,
>>>> 4-10.
>>>>
>>>> Nuzzo, V. (1997). Element stewardship abstract for Lonicera japonica. *Nature
>>>> Conservancy, Arlington, VA*.
>>>> <https://www.invasive.org/gist/esadocs/documnts/lonijap.pdf>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Element Stewardship Abstracts are usually very useful for
>>>> management. These documents were being produced back when TNC had a robust
>>>> invasive species program and I have found them to be very useful for
>>>> decades. Obviously, new research is not captured in these documents and
>>>> some of the chemicals outlined in them and not ones many natural area
>>>> managers would like to use if they could be avoided. But, they are a good
>>>> place to start.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 10:00 PM Hamersky Business <
>>>> william at skyhammer.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> New to the MAIPC list mail, but have been reducing invasives on my
>>>> property for the 6 years I’ve lived in Virginia, and also belong to Blue
>>>> Ridge PRISM.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’ve been foliar spraying young J honeysuckle sprouts on the farm for a
>>>> few days now and was wondering if anyone has info or knows of research on
>>>> “just how far” the herbicide can travel along the runners before it is no
>>>> longer effective? I’m guessing you all know that you can pull up one young
>>>> sprout and have 3, 4, 5, or more runners attached to it, many with other
>>>> “sproutlets” attached that will eventually root and create independent
>>>> plants.  Incidentally, when I did occasionally pull up a sprout attached
>>>> with runners, often their small “siblings" were invisible under the leaf
>>>> litter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So my question is: is there any research out there showing the efficacy
>>>> of herbicide treatment on invasive runners? Is it worthwhile to herbicide
>>>> treat these groups of plants, or just keep pulling and pulling (exposing
>>>> lots of bare soil in the meantime and who knows how many other
>>>> weed/invasive seeds!) and see how far I can go… hopefully not to the next
>>>> county.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks so much for any help/input/direction!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Hamersky
>>>> Skyhammer
>>>> 470 Taylors Gap Rd
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/470+Taylors+Gap+Rd+Charlottesville,+VA+%C2%A022903?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> Charlottesville, VA  22903
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/470+Taylors+Gap+Rd+Charlottesville,+VA+%C2%A022903?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>
>>>> cel:  415. 516. 2560
>>>>
>>>> william at skyhammer.com
>>>>
>>>> “The Ash, having fibres tenacious and strong,
>>>> Teaches me firm resistance, to battle with wrong."
>>>>       Helen O. Hoyt
>>>>
>>>>
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