[MAIPC] Coevolution between invasive and native species

Mon Sep 6 05:37:09 PDT 2021

Actually that is why many of us start with the least invaded habitat so that we do not have to rehabilitate the habitat. Then we move on to more invaded habitats.  

Marc Imlay

Natural Places MD Sierra Club

From: MAIPC <maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org> On Behalf Of Bret Robinson
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2021 8:04 AM
To: Kathy Daniel <kdaniel20816 at gmail.com>
Cc: Pia van de Venne <pia.parkprotector at gmail.com>; maipc at lists.maipc.org
Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Coevolution between invasive and native species

Everyone,

You are not going to be rid of an invasive after you remove it. You need to rehabilitate the site to promote desirable vegetation. If you aren’t thinking about other replacement vegetation your not going to be successful.

Bret

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On Sep 6, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Kathy Daniel <kdaniel20816 at gmail.com <mailto:kdaniel20816 at gmail.com> > wrote:

I hate spell check. I wrote fodder not folder. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

On Sep 6, 2021, at 2:55 AM, Kathy Daniel <Kdaniel20816 at gmail.com <mailto:Kdaniel20816 at gmail.com> > wrote:

And Steve Hiltner what an incredible book review that was (http://rdcu.be/HSal). You really nailed the author and all of the others promoting “embracing change” (i.e., invasive non-native species). I recommend your review to everyone on the MAIPC listserve. It gives us good folder in defense of our work. Thanks Steve! Kathy Daniel 

PS I also love your blog PrincetonNatureNotes.org 

On Sep 6, 2021, at 1:53 AM, Kathy Daniel <Kdaniel20816 at gmail.com <mailto:Kdaniel20816 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Great work, Pia!! I am going to start transplanting some of my violets, too. I don’t have enough golden ragwort yet to transplant, but it is the perfect replacement for the ucky English ivy we are pulling up in the park. I will also transplant some of our plentiful Virginia creeper, which would be another good substitute. Thanks for the inspiration! Kathy Daniel 

On Sep 5, 2021, at 11:58 PM, Pia van de Venne <pia.parkprotector at gmail.com <mailto:pia.parkprotector at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello, referring to plant natives from other states in locations of eradicated invasives, how about robust plants that are right in our area, already growing close or next to the invasives.

I transplant dozens of small golden ragworts and striped white violets. This violata striata is extremely easy to transplant; it was taking over our entire lawn and now, in a different area I am pulling out the ground ivy and planting violets. Ground ivy is terrible. 

Along shady park roadsides I have planted golden ragwort, violets, and some path rush. I notice more ferns growing in those areas too.

Pia van de Venne, Murrysville PA 

Today's Topics:

   1. Intriguing new research: Coevolution between invasive and
      native species (Kathy Daniel)
   2. Re: Intriguing new research: Coevolution between invasive and
      native species (Nathan Hartshorne)
   3. Re: Intriguing new research: Coevolution between invasive and
      native species (Stephen Hiltner)

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" He explained that removing invasive species and replanting natives often
results in failure but replacing invasive species with native plants from
an area where the plants have had time to adapt to the invader could be
more effective. Rather than replanting clearweed from a recently invaded
site in Michigan, for example, land managers could use plants from New York
that are more likely to be resistant to garlic mustard."

It certainly gives us a lot to think about in terms of wildlife management.  At the same time, we wouldn't want to shrink the genetics of a species, but there might be a balance.

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 6:26 AM Kathy Daniel <kdaniel20816 at gmail.com <mailto:kdaniel20816 at gmail.com> > wrote:

> https://news.uga.edu/coevolution-between-invasive-native-species-062812/

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 09:33:56 -0400
From: Stephen Hiltner <stevehiltner at gmail.com <mailto:stevehiltner at gmail.com> >
To: Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com <mailto:nshartshorne at gmail.com> >
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Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Intriguing new research: Coevolution between
        invasive and native species

Thanks for sharing this article. FYI: There's a book called Inheritors of the Earth that claims to be optimistic because nature might heal itself in a million years. It claims that conservation efforts are doomed to failure, so we should embrace the change. I wrote a review <http://rdcu.be/HSal> for
Biological Invasions.

It would be strange to go to the trouble of replanting if one is assuming the garlic mustard will simply recolonize. We've had good luck at our preserve with removing garlic mustard before it goes to seed. We're basically playing the role we wish deer would play. Persistence furthers if
one's means are in balance with the scope of the problem. Glad to hear, though, of evidence of some coevolution.

Steve
PrincetonNatureNotes.org

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 9:15 AM Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com <mailto:nshartshorne at gmail.com> >
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> " He explained that removing invasive species and replanting natives
> often results in failure but replacing invasive species with native plants
> from an area where the plants have had time to adapt to the invader could
> be more effective. Rather than replanting clearweed from a recently invaded
> site in Michigan, for example, land managers could use plants from New York
> that are more likely to be resistant to garlic mustard."
>
> It certainly gives us a lot to think about in terms of wildlife
> management.  At the same time, we wouldn't want to shrink the genetics of a
> species, but there might be a balance.
>
> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 6:26 AM Kathy Daniel <kdaniel20816 at gmail.com <mailto:kdaniel20816 at gmail.com> >
> wrote:
>
>> https://news.uga.edu/coevolution-between-invasive-native-species-062812/
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