[MAIPC] Coevolution between invasive and native species

Mon Sep 6 09:10:04 PDT 2021

The Incredible Journey of Plants by Stefano Mancuso was another book that
celebrated invasives and had no redeeming features.  And Menno
Schilthuize's Darwin Comes to Town likewise celebrated invasives, but at
least I learned things from the rest of the book.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 4:40 AM Kathy Daniel <kdaniel20816 at gmail.com> wrote:

> And Steve Hiltner what an incredible book review that was (
> http://rdcu.be/HSal). You really nailed the author and all of the others
> promoting “embracing change” (i.e., invasive non-native species). I
> recommend your review to everyone on the MAIPC listserve. It gives us good
> folder in defense of our work. Thanks Steve! Kathy Daniel
>
> PS I also love your blog PrincetonNatureNotes.org
>
> On Sep 6, 2021, at 1:53 AM, Kathy Daniel <Kdaniel20816 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Great work, Pia!! I am going to start transplanting some of my violets,
> too. I don’t have enough golden ragwort yet to transplant, but it is the
> perfect replacement for the ucky English ivy we are pulling up in the park.
> I will also transplant some of our plentiful Virginia creeper, which would
> be another good substitute. Thanks for the inspiration! Kathy Daniel
>
> On Sep 5, 2021, at 11:58 PM, Pia van de Venne <pia.parkprotector at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello, referring to plant natives from other states in locations of
> eradicated invasives, how about robust plants that are right in our area,
> already growing close or next to the invasives.
> I transplant dozens of small golden ragworts and striped white violets.
> This violata striata is extremely easy to transplant; it was taking over
> our entire lawn and now, in a different area I am pulling out the
> ground ivy and planting violets. Ground ivy is terrible.
> Along shady park roadsides I have planted golden ragwort, violets, and
> some path rush. I notice more ferns growing in those areas too.
> Pia van de Venne, Murrysville PA
>
> Today's Topics:
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>>    1. Intriguing new research: Coevolution between invasive and
>>       native species (Kathy Daniel)
>>    2. Re: Intriguing new research: Coevolution between invasive and
>>       native species (Nathan Hartshorne)
>>    3. Re: Intriguing new research: Coevolution between invasive and
>>       native species (Stephen Hiltner)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 06:25:27 -0400
>> From: Kathy Daniel <kdaniel20816 at gmail.com>
>> To: "MAIPC Listserve (maipc at lists.maipc.org)" <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
>> Subject: [MAIPC] Intriguing new research: Coevolution between invasive
>>         and native species
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>> https://news.uga.edu/coevolution-between-invasive-native-species-062812/
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>> From: Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
>> To: Kathy Daniel <kdaniel20816 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "MAIPC Listserve (maipc at lists.maipc.org)" <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
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>> " He explained that removing invasive species and replanting natives often
>> results in failure but replacing invasive species with native plants from
>> an area where the plants have had time to adapt to the invader could be
>> more effective. Rather than replanting clearweed from a recently invaded
>> site in Michigan, for example, land managers could use plants from New
>> York
>> that are more likely to be resistant to garlic mustard."
>>
>> It certainly gives us a lot to think about in terms of
>> wildlife management.  At the same time, we wouldn't want to shrink the
>> genetics of a species, but there might be a balance.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 6:26 AM Kathy Daniel <kdaniel20816 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> https://news.uga.edu/coevolution-between-invasive-native-species-062812/
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>> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 09:33:56 -0400
>> From: Stephen Hiltner <stevehiltner at gmail.com>
>> To: Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Kathy Daniel <kdaniel20816 at gmail.com>,  "MAIPC Listserve
>>         (maipc at lists.maipc.org)" <maipc at lists.maipc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MAIPC] Intriguing new research: Coevolution between
>>         invasive and native species
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this article. FYI: There's a book called Inheritors
>> of the Earth that claims to be optimistic because nature might heal itself
>> in a million years. It claims that conservation efforts are doomed to
>> failure, so we should embrace the change. I wrote a review <
>> http://rdcu.be/HSal> for
>> Biological Invasions.
>>
>> It would be strange to go to the trouble of replanting if one is
>> assuming the garlic mustard will simply recolonize. We've had good luck at
>> our preserve with removing garlic mustard before it goes to seed.
>> We're basically playing the role we wish deer would play. Persistence
>> furthers if
>> one's means are in balance with the scope of the problem. Glad to
>> hear, though, of evidence of some coevolution.
>>
>> Steve
>> PrincetonNatureNotes.org
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 9:15 AM Nathan Hartshorne <nshartshorne at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > " He explained that removing invasive species and replanting natives
>> > often results in failure but replacing invasive species with native
>> plants
>> > from an area where the plants have had time to adapt to the invader
>> could
>> > be more effective. Rather than replanting clearweed from a recently
>> invaded
>> > site in Michigan, for example, land managers could use plants from New
>> York
>> > that are more likely to be resistant to garlic mustard."
>> >
>> > It certainly gives us a lot to think about in terms of wildlife
>> > management.  At the same time, we wouldn't want to shrink the genetics
>> of a
>> > species, but there might be a balance.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 6:26 AM Kathy Daniel <kdaniel20816 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> https://news.uga.edu/coevolution-between-invasive-native-species-062812/
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